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Who is the PIC of the airplane during

Discussion in 'You're the captain...' started by propsync, May 14, 2017.

  1. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever been in a position of authority prior to this? Working as a business manager, or serving as a military officer? Your authority is there until such time as you abdicate it, or are specifically told you have no authority. I suggest you talk with your chief pilot to understand exactly what authority your company grants you and its limits. It's apparent that not all companies handle it the same way.

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  2. mastermags

    mastermags Well-Known Member *giggity*

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    So this settles it about the gate agent being in charge of the jumpseat right?
     
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  3. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    That.
     
  4. saxman

    saxman Well-Known Member

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    Reminds of the time a pax was unhappy about the crew working another flight before unloading the bags. He said I needed to grow a pair and I use my captain authority to demand they come over and unload our plane first. I said no. They will laugh at me.


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  5. mrivc211

    mrivc211 Well-Known Member

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    I hada very not so friendly convo in DEN back in 2007 about who was in charge of the aircraft on pushback after a ramper decided to voice his opinion on when and how things were going to be done.
     
  6. propsync

    propsync Well-Known Member

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    You going to finish your story?
     
  7. mrivc211

    mrivc211 Well-Known Member

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    nahhhhhhhh
     
  8. propsync

    propsync Well-Known Member

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    So you are just beating your chest for your own personal gratification lol. Guess what, nobody cares!
     
  9. ChicagoPilotJohn

    ChicagoPilotJohn Well-Known Member

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    And.............? He won?


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  10. gotWXdagain

    gotWXdagain Highly Visible Member

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    You can't just start on that little nugget and then walk away. You've given us enough to awaken our curiosities but not enough to bed it back!


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  11. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    IIRC, the two drunk AWA pilots caught in MIA during pushback tried to use that very defense (eg, aircraft moving on its own power versus tug pushback). Ultimately it didn't work.
     
  12. propsync

    propsync Well-Known Member

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    What if both pilots are away getting coffee or lunch while the airplane is boarding with a full compliment of passengers on board. Anyone can fill out a report with anyone's name on it.
     
  13. CaptBill

    CaptBill Well-Known Member

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    I see being PIC on a flight as having the ability (not necessarily exercising it) to make the ultimate decision on anything affecting the operation of the flight from the time that the release is accepted until he / she walks off the aircraft at the destination. Throughout this timeframe, the PIC should be fully prepared to make any decision that they deem appropriate. It may not be popular, and they may have to answer to someone; however, that's the way it is. If you allow others to wrestle away your authority, it will come back and bite you someday - guaranteed! I will never allow anything to happen on my airplane (regardless of what phase of operation) that I vehemently disagree with. One has to be careful not to become a power-hungry ass who makes poor decisions based on ego or emotional riffraff as that only leads to turmoil and anarchy. I think PIC is more of a mindset than what any FAR or dictionary can define. If someone has issues with your authority to be the Pilot In Command, they should have the number to crew scheduling handy. That's just my opinion folks...
     
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