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WestJet landing at SXM

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by guywhoflies, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue mash buttan

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    Thou shalt not use FLCH below either FAF or traffic pattern altitude.
     
  2. Adler

    Adler How much cheese is too much cheese?

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    Go arounds are supposed to be a no repercussion event, yet here we are roasting them based on very little information. Something was wrong, they went around, they landed. Good on them for going around instead of just adding some power and trying to make the landing work.
     
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  3. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue mash buttan

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    Uh, I didn't do that. I merely stated a "preference" and "technique."

    Nobody was hurt, so they get to change their undies and have another go at it.
     
  4. SeanD

    SeanD Well-Known Member

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    Its a damn good thing the photographer of this grainy image was quick to put a signature and copyright on it just in case it hit the black market.
     
  5. AAPalmTree

    AAPalmTree Well-Known Member

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    That's how this works.
     
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    UAL747400 Well-Known Member

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    STRONG LOL at the *oops I crapped my pants* tag for the thread! :bounce:
     
  7. gotWXdagain

    gotWXdagain Highly Visible Member

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    I feel like the only automation in a visual traffic pattern should be the yaw damper. No autothrust, no cues, just fly the airplane.
     
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  8. phill1174

    phill1174 Well-Known Member

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    Auto thrust, on a crj you are the autothrust. Seems like using it on a visual would take the fun out of it.
     
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  9. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue mash buttan

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    There's a time and place for all the various levels of automation.

    The difficult part is not necessarily in finger-frakking the MCP/GP/FGCP/whatever, or in going "click click, click click," but it's in knowing when to use the various levels.
     
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  10. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e The Intersection of Opportunity and Preparation

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    ...as well as being proficient enough with each type of automation to be both safe and efficient with them.

    All of aviation consists of time-perishable skills that have to be exercised to stay healthy, both between the ears and with your hands and feet.
     
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  11. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue mash buttan

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    Cognitive skills in flight operations degrade far more rapidly than psychomotor skills, as it turns out.

    (When was the last time YOU flew VOR to VOR?)
     
  12. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e The Intersection of Opportunity and Preparation

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    According to my logbook, 19 December 2015.
     
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  13. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue mash buttan

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    Indeed.

    It was "interesting" to read a paper on this very skill and its possible degradation in highly automated flight environments, then be forced to apply it at work last week.
     
  14. trafficinsight

    trafficinsight Well-Known Member

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    It was interesting at the last job to be interviewing people and have them take off, go direct to the VOR, as cleared, and then immediately get lost over it. Their reaction to getting lost is usually center the needle with a TO flag, which means we spent about a half hour flying cloverleafs over the VOR before a little hint was given.

    It's pretty wild how drastically and quickly things have changed.
     
  15. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue mash buttan

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    Jetting down to Atlanta Center and TRACON airspace incapable of RNAV is a no-no nowadays.

    RNAV to (__) is fantastically accurate.

    "At the middle marker turn right heading (__)" is fantastically sloppy by comparison.

    Still, the rudimentary position awareness cognitive skill is damn important. Being "radar vector equipped" is all well and good, but insufficient.
     
  16. bucksmith

    bucksmith Did you lock the doors?

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    Coming out of a small airport on an island somewhere, was instructed to intercept a VOR radial and fly it till I was talking to someone. Stared at the box for almost a half a minute before I smiled at myself.
     
  17. NovemberEcho

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    "Fly heading 220 and intercept the Colts Neck 350 radial, track inbound"

    "Uhhhhhhhh say again?"

    Frequently heard in EWR airspace.
     
  18. adk

    adk Steals Hotel Toilet Paper

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    ELVAE saves day time and time again as of late!
     
  19. NovemberEcho

    NovemberEcho Well-Known Member

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    Elvae is a freaking clusterduck this time of year with all the spring break flights. If 24.75 doesn't climb you guys or the TEB departures out of 6000 it really bones me.
     
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  20. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    You sure about that?

    "Unable Center/Approach, we're a broke down Maddog."
     

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