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Virgin American Hiring Window Open

Discussion in 'Airline Pilots' started by bretthullrampage, Aug 13, 2015.

  1. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Yup, true.

    I think VX/AS can be a great opportunity if you're on the west coast. They do have an aggressive 5-yr growth plan, and if the recent mass expansion out of SFO is any hint then there's no reason to doubt them. They are being forced to do so in order to compete with the big 3. If you are coming here, just come in with the eyes open and know the numbers. The combined pilot group is about ~ 2,600 pilots. And that's with the current combined mainline fleet of 218 planes. The combined retirements for the next 10 years (2017-2026) is about 670. What they've said is no matter which fleet plan they stick with (whether keep mixed fleet or single Boeing fleet), the mainline fleet is going to grow by 50 frames for the next 5 years. Obviously that will change the pilot group number (over 3,000 for sure) and bring in additional upgrades and movement. Still, if you're at the bottom of the list then you can plan on being a FO for a while. Then again that's always been Alaska, a historically long upgrade time. I will add that upgrades at VX are about to hit 2012 hires, and at AS they are still in the 2007 hires, but AS only has 7 pilots on the list hired in 2008, none hired in 2009-2010, and only 6 pilots for 2011. So once the 2007 hires are done, the upgrade stuff should fall rapidly to 2012 hires as well, just like it is going to be at VX.

    The JCBA will come, either by union/management agreement or worse case by arbitration. If the latter, I believe the date for the final arbitration is set for in October so the JCBA will be out by then. Then SLI proceedings which should take another 6 months or less. The next 12 months here will be full of change and hopefully for the better.
     
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  2. pete2800

    pete2800 'Member?

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    Agreed. Add the fact that first year pay needs a 46% raise to meet the average of the top 4...
     
  3. Cloud Surfer

    Cloud Surfer Slinger of the Gear

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    Has anyone received a call without internal recs or job fairs?
     
  4. Skåning

    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately not that I know of, everyone had one or the other. They seem to value meeting people face to face or having someone on the inside advocating for them.

    As far as the future goes, my armchair predications are the combined company will fly 737s, have an Eskimo on the tail, and be called Alaska. There is zero reason for them to keep the airbus even though our product and service is better. It's all about the benjamins and I've heard that Boeing financed part of the acquisition.
     
  5. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    I got hired without any internals/recs or job fairs, but that was over 5 years ago. I think everything we know as far as the hiring process at VX is about to go out the door as the company "Adopt and Go Alaska" on the hiring practice (like much of everything else). There are already new changes like requiring the 4-yr college degree (which I am for) and also increased the minimums to 3,000 TT.
     
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    I dunno, the 321 NEO has them thinking pretty hard, methinks.
     
  7. Skåning

    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    I don't think so. VX ordered 10, but are only taking 5. Peter Hunt (VX pres) said that they are all "cancelable". The fact is there are no numbers publicly available to compare the 737 & neo. Since this is an acquisition, not a merger, I'd be very surprised if anything "Virgin" remained.
     
  8. JDean3204

    JDean3204 Well-Known Member

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    Just used VX as a back up again on a commute and they pulled through. Every time I fly on them, I enjoy the flight. The lighting is different, the safety video is also different and they offer a different vibe than any other airline. It will be interesting to see how this merger works, my guess is Alaska will take it over from a marketing and presentation stand point.
     
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    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    Glad you enjoy the experience! The days of being a different airline are coming to a close and most I fly with are glad to have been a part of it even for a short while. It was a boutique airline and in this biz you either grow or get acquired! Still try to remain hopeful of the future though.
     
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    CRJDriver Well-Known Member

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    As much as I didn't want to go through another merger, a JetBlue and VA merger would have been a good match that I wouldn't have been too terribly upset about.
     
  11. Inverted

    Inverted My captain doesn't have a degree, I'm scared....

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    The VX school house rumors are that Alaska is eyeing JB for purchase. I laughed but hell I have seen crazier crap happen...
     
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    Hacker15e Virtue Signaling Intersectional Nonbinary Otherkin

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    I think Alaska has missed the boat now that most of the other better-paying airlines with similar west-coast bases (some of which even have a Seattle base) have been hiring like gangbusters for two years or more.

    My bet is that they've missed out on a good number of quality folks (guys waiting in that line in 2015 and 2016) who would have happily made Alaska home, but in the mean time got interviews and job offers elsewhere (at shops they're not going to leave for the pay cut and diminished career expectations at AS).
     
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  13. Skåning

    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    There's been nothing special about Alaska (pay, QOL, equipment, etc) so the fact that they have guys lining up at meet and greets and regional job fairs baffles me. They really gotta pay up and offer what is now industry standard rates and contract to attract new talent. Now how will Horizon attract folks? There's no effing reason to go there with the way they currently do stuff.
     
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    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that'll happen the moment JB gets A330s haha NEVER
     
  15. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e Virtue Signaling Intersectional Nonbinary Otherkin

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    Well, I was one of those guys: a Seattle native, who grew up watching that eskimo on the tail as my "hometown airline". Much of the 20 years I was in the military, I was thinking/planning on moving back to my hometown and flying for AS after I got out. Yes, I'll admit, it was more of a decision based on feelings than fact.

    To be honest, if they'd called before my current employer called, I'd be at AS right now. But, they called after I'd already been asked to the dance by a much hotter and more eligible girl.

    I think they'll remain a sentimental favorite for PNW natives, even if their pay lags other airlines. Unless some of the bigger carriers decide to really make a play for Seattle like Delta has tried to.
     
  16. JetDoc

    JetDoc Delta and now AA profit sharing contributor.

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    Agreed and yet more evidence that the stack of apps every "destination" airline claims to have on file is not as tall as they think it is.
     
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    alaskadrifter Noob

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    They will have no lack of reforming AK pilots applying. A lot of guys at my shop probably won't go anywhere else.
     
  18. JDean3204

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    It may not be linear, but I felt the same way about Horizon as you did about Alaska. After my military service, all I could think about was moving back to Oregon getting my ratings and building time to get on with Horizon. Heck, I even had a printed picture of the q400 cockpit on my mirror so in the mornings when I shaved / brushed my teeth I had motivation right in front of me. Then Horizon started lagging other regionals as far as competitive compensation, when it came time to make the 121 plunge I chose SkyWest. I feel many other NW locals did the same thing as well when I see the bid list line ups for SEA/PDX on SkyWest Online.

    I am sure folks who are qualified for a major are now doing the same thing, looking elsewhere with higher pay and west coast bases. All it will take is AAG to pay both airlines more and stop the toxic labor management relations, then they will have many many more in line at job fairs. They are shooting themselves in the foot by keeping the bar high and compensation low in my opinion..
     
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  19. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    The JCBA will address the pay issue and we'll see payrates when it comes out one way or another by about ~Oct-Nov this year.
     
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    What are some of the current time spans of hearing back from the pilot questionnaire? I have a current friend there that says it puts you in the cue for an interview? You can still get a TBNT at that point, right?
     
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