UAL Hiring Program Update

Baronman

Well-Known Member
Do you know any pilots who have been run over by a tug? Ever even heard of one? Come on, man!
Expressjet had a pilot who got run over by a passenger bus at IAH. There used to be a whole parking area where passengers got bussed out. Saw the post-op pictures of his leg..No bueno.
 

Richman

Well-Known Member
What does our journey have to do with complying with ICAO safety regulations?

“I shouldn’t have to wear a safety vest because I spent money to be a pilot!”

Can you see how stupid that sounds, or nah?
Because ICAO is certainly the paragon of all higher thought & safety....not.

Just a trivial example....

We all flew FINE using this simple form....for decades:

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Now instead, we need this mess:

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Oh, yea, the new system doesn't recognize numeric airport IDs.... so you have to trick it into recognizing them and put the airports in the remarks section.

Given what I see, ICAO measures easily on the level of "more people = more dumber" paradigm of the UN
 

Crop Duster

E pluribus unum
Funny, we're approaching a century of airline flying, and somehow pilots got along just fine all that time until just recently without plastic shiny vests.

Reminds me of all the "childproofing" that parents do now.
Meh. It's not a big deal. You ever fly outside the US? Everyone wears reflectors. At smaller airports, it can seem ridiculous and lame, like wearing your seatbelt while driving through the hay field to fix a tractor. But, the rules are not made with little air or hay fields in mind.

Then also... in the scheme of things, throwing on a vest is really not onerous.
 

SlumTodd_Millionaire

Socialist Pig Member
Meh. It's not a big deal. You ever fly outside the US? Everyone wears reflectors. At smaller airports, it can seem ridiculous and lame, like wearing your seatbelt while driving through the hay field to fix a tractor. But, the rules are not made with little air or hay fields in mind.

Then also... in the scheme of things, throwing on a vest is really not onerous.
Yeah, I had to wear them in Canada. Hated it then, too.
 

Crop Duster

E pluribus unum
Well, for your next uniform update, why don't you steal my idea and suggest reflective stripes on the sleeves and epaulettes?? Three or four reflective stripes around the waist of your jackets might also be a nice fashion statement while also invidiously distinguishing and boosting employee egos.

Throw it in the suggestion box. You guys over at SWA, too. When you win the bonus award, you can show me some LUV... which should include at least some beer.
 

Yakob

Grand Prognosticator Nominee
What does our journey have to do with complying with ICAO safety regulations?

“I shouldn’t have to wear a safety vest because I spent money to be a pilot!”

Can you see how stupid that sounds, or nah?
I saw that same argument used with the outcry over the KCM changes a few weeks ago, that pilots should be entitled to the old rules because of "what we went through". The implication is that KCM is a reward for going through flight training and getting hired by an airline rather than a more efficient security process for crew members who are required to pass a background check.

"goes through what we do to get where we are ", what a melodramatic thing to say :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


Yeah, I had to wear them in Canada. Hated it then, too.
I guess I don't see what the big deal is. It's amusing the level of howling there is from pilots about having to wear safety vests.
 

SlumTodd_Millionaire

Socialist Pig Member
Well, for your next uniform update, why don't you steal my idea and suggest reflective stripes on the sleeves and epaulettes??

Throw it in the suggestion box. You guys over at SWA, too. When you win the bonus award, you can show me some LUV... which should include at least some beer.
To be clear, I escaped the hellhole that is SWA. Please don't say "you guys." :)
 

Crop Duster

E pluribus unum
To be clear, I escaped the hellhole that is SWA. Please don't say "you guys." :)
I had no idea you had anything to do with SWA. I mentioned SWA simply because SWA seems to have a righteous employee suggestion box system.
You guys refers to "you guys" getting big pay and benefits working at the majors... and getting real extra paid to come up with good ideas to help your companies. To bastardize PT Barnum: "you can satisfy some of the pilots some of the time, but you can't satisfy all of the pilots all of the time."
 
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Richman

Well-Known Member
Considering ICAO says it’s ok to drop kids with 200 hours into a jet with 200 passengers and they’re not even good to take a 172 around the pattern solo, you’ll forgive me if I don’t consider their ideas “best practices”.

Their idea of “safe” is “let’s have everyone take 16 ridiculous essay question tests that are completely outdated, but hey, we’ll let everyone slide on actually flying an airplane in the real world.”

They’re like trainspotters put in charge of actual railroad safety.
 

Skåning

Well-Known Member
Considering ICAO says it’s ok to drop kids with 200 hours into a jet with 200 passengers and they’re not even good to take a 172 around the pattern solo, you’ll forgive me if I don’t consider their ideas “best practices”.

Their idea of “safe” is “let’s have everyone take 16 ridiculous essay question tests that are completely outdated, but hey, we’ll let everyone slide on actually flying an airplane in the real world.”

They’re like trainspotters put in charge of actual railroad safety.
You're confusing EASA and ICAO
 

Richman

Well-Known Member
I guess I don't see what the big deal is. It's amusing the level of howling there is from pilots about having to wear safety vests.
It’s a systematic effort to reduce all labor to the lowest common denominator.

“We can’t give you ABC because then we’d have to give it to everyone else. It would make you special and maybe make other people feel bad or, God forbid, consider that organized representation isn’t such a bad thing”.

But hey, you do you. Maybe we can outfit you with some long sleeves on that vest....
 

Skåning

Well-Known Member
Earlier on that same page:

ICAO does not issue any licences. Licences issued by ICAO Contracting States on the basis of Standards and Recommended Practices of Annex 1 – Personnel Licensing, are habitually called ICAO licences. This has led many to believe that there is a specific ICAO or international licence. The fact is that there is not one single international licence issued by ICAO or any other organization. States issue their own licences based on national regulations in conformity with Annex 1 specifications and validate licences issued by other Contracting States on the basis of bilateral or multilateral agreements or the fulfilment of nationally legislated requirements.
 

SlumTodd_Millionaire

Socialist Pig Member
It’s a systematic effort to reduce all labor to the lowest common denominator.

“We can’t give you ABC because then we’d have to give it to everyone else. It would make you special and maybe make other people feel bad or, God forbid, consider that organized representation isn’t such a bad thing”.

But hey, you do you. Maybe we can outfit you with some long sleeves on that vest....
Dude knows what he's talking about. I've heard these exact same comments from senior manager after senior manager. The more they can make you seem no different than the average baggage slinger, the better off management is.
 

Richman

Well-Known Member
Dude knows what he's talking about. I've heard these exact same comments from senior manager after senior manager. The more they can make you seem no different than the average baggage slinger, the better off management is.
And some dudes eat that s41t up. Their concern isn't about about getting a contract that is kickitty assitty, but how other employee groups “feel” about that.

Boggles the mind.
 
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