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#23
Had a young RJ captain call me for advice. He is college educated, check airman etc. But has three failures including 2 at his 121 carrier. Told him to be honest and hopefully he will have the chance to explain them.

3 seems like a lot though. Think he will get a shot?


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JetDoc

Delta profit sharing contributor.
#24
Had a young RJ captain call me for advice. He is college educated, check airman etc. But has three failures including 2 at his 121 carrier. Told him to be honest and hopefully he will have the chance to explain them.

3 seems like a lot though. Think he will get a shot?


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It should have no bearing. If any of you ever submitted an ASAP for an altitude bust, clearance limit bust, airframe limitation bust etc. you just busted a check ride, the difference being that there wasn't CKA, ASI or DPE on the jump seat. Disagree with me? Then I dare any one of you to blast through 10,000 feet at 300 KIAS or exceed flap speeds on your next check ride or LOE and get back to me with the outcome. We all know that we would never purposely do such a thing but we also all know that ASAP'S get submitted everyday for just the same.
 

cactusjuba

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#27
I think what he is trying to say is that nobody is a perfect pilot, we've all made a mistake flying. If we mess up in the SIM its forever, if its in a real plane with real people we can just ASAP it. Some folks may actually be better (or worse) aviators than can be indicated by # of busts. Frankly its a lot more subjective system than objective IMO.

Back to Zaps point, hopefully his buddy can get a chance to be considered further. Let the interviewer view the whole story/individual and let them make the right decision.
 

JetDoc

Delta profit sharing contributor.
#29
I think what he is trying to say is that nobody is a perfect pilot, we've all made a mistake flying. If we mess up in the SIM its forever, if its in a real plane with real people we can just ASAP it. Some folks may actually be better (or worse) aviators than can be indicated by # of busts. Frankly its a lot more subjective system than objective IMO.

Back to Zaps point, hopefully his buddy can get a chance to be considered further. Let the interviewer view the whole story/individual and let them make the right decision.
Exactly my point, thank you.
 
#30
Exactly my point, thank you.
We all understand that. But unfortunately the computer scoring and selecting candidates to interview doesn't. The HR employee who wasn't even out of high school on 9/11 doesn't. They see numbers against a baseline that they created, and until you are sitting across the table from them, you have no chance to explain the follies that led you to this place in your career.

So while I agree with your premise, I don't think it is much comfort to those who will - for whatever the reason - have to fight to overcome speed bumps and skeletons from their distant past.


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Cloud Surfer

All Roads lead to Trantor
#31
Moreover, some people just have bad luck and get the examiner who feels like busting people on Tuesday. Different training programs are harder than others as well.

I think that having a pattern of multiple failed rides--especially in short duration--should be scrutinized far more seriously than having a failed ride or two interspersed by many years on one's record.
 
#32
Should? Perhaps. And as the shortage deepens I think we will get there. Until then, I think it is still pretty competitive.


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Cloud Surfer

All Roads lead to Trantor
#33
I don't think there will ever be a shortage at any well paying carrier that offers excellent QOL. I like to lower my expectations--that way I will be pleasantly surprised if things do work out, haha.
 

JetDoc

Delta profit sharing contributor.
#34
Well I'm giving up. My Airline Apps subscription expires next month and I'm not going to renew it. I might as well flush the money down the toilet. I will just have to be content captaining my little 175 around for the next 14 years.
 

T/O w/FSII

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#36
I disagree, a checkride is expected to be perfect because you have time to prep for it. Months or weeks in advance to prepare for one flight. You pop that 3 times? I see that as someone who can't show up prepared for a important day. How can I be sure you can show up prepared for a regular day? I can't.
 

slough

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#37
I disagree, a checkride is expected to be perfect because you have time to prep for it. Months or weeks in advance to prepare for one flight. You pop that 3 times? I see that as someone who can't show up prepared for a important day. How can I be sure you can show up prepared for a regular day? I can't.
If he has a bunch of 121 hours and is a checkairmen, I think that proves he can show up for a regular day.
 

FL350

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#38
This question isn't specific to Southwest, but in general when applying to airlines what are your thoughts on the gender and ethnicity questions.
When you could answer "prefer not to answer". I know some people will say it makes a difference, although it shouldn't.

Anything wrong with putting prefer not to answer?

I've always found it odd that those questions are on an application.
 

poser765

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#39
I disagree, a checkride is expected to be perfect because you have time to prep for it. Months or weeks in advance to prepare for one flight. You pop that 3 times? I see that as someone who can't show up prepared for a important day. How can I be sure you can show up prepared for a regular day? I can't.
The problem with your thinking is you are trying to apply a binary viewpoint to something that is definitely not. The success of a checkride is NOT determined solely by one's preparedness. Someone can be fully prepared but still just do something stupid, as often happens in checking events.

This question isn't specific to Southwest, but in general when applying to airlines what are your thoughts on the gender and ethnicity questions.
When you could answer "prefer not to answer". I know some people will say it makes a difference, although it shouldn't.

Anything wrong with putting prefer not to answer?

I've always found it odd that those questions are on an application.
I believe it's just for demographic statistics.
 
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