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SWA FO arrested for trying to board with a handgun

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by RDoug, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. KSCessnaDriver

    KSCessnaDriver Well-Known Member

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    I routinely walked into UPS operations having never gone thru security what-so-ever.
     
  2. MikeD

    MikeD Administrator Staff Member

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    "...you mean I need training and some kind of certification to be an FFDO?" :)

    Did Calloway use a gun?
     
  3. Finny

    Finny Well-Known Member

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    This is woefully ignorant. Educate yourself on animal shipments, animal handlers, the drugs they carry, and how many cargo aircraft have hardened cockpit doors. It's a huge problem that needs to be fixed yesterday.
     
  4. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    There is no problem on cargo planes requiring pilots to fly armed via FFDO program. The only realistic threat is going to be the inside-factor, as was the Calloway case.

    The real problem is unscreened cargo, and moreso for the nations ports.
     
  5. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e Virtue Signaling Intersectional Nonbinary Otherkin

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    Dude, with all due respect, you are talking out your ass about an area that you have zero experience in.

    Just because you aren't aware of things happening, or can't envision them happening, doesn't mean they aren't. The Jumpseat security process isn't what we are talking about here, nor the insider threat.

    Not going to get into specifics here for obvious reasons, but suffice to say you have an opinion that is not shared by a lot of people that work in the cargo business.
     
  6. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    When has that ever stopped him?

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  7. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Fly boxes. Need guns? :rolleyes:

    Statistics, actual events, and history are on my side. We'll see the day when some stowaway or terrorist (NON-insider) takes over a Fedex/UPS jet. If that day comes, I'll eat my own words/crow. The threat are terrorists which (IMO obviously since I'm not google) won't find on a flight deck unless it's an insider like Calloway or another jumpseater.
     
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  8. DPApilot

    DPApilot GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!

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    You've clearly never commuted on a cargo carrier...
     
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  9. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    On a side note, I wonder at what point in this industry of flying 121 jetliners does one have enough experience to know what he's talking about. 5 yrs? 10? 20? Just let me know what that point is :)
     
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  10. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Au contrar, I've taken UPS twice and Fedex countless times. Great airline to commute on :)
     
  11. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Only one time on Fedex it was from SFO-MEM, the CA briefed to me that if I saw someone come from there (pointed to that small door from the pallet area to the galley), that I should call him immediately and inform him, and then do what I could do defend myself. Initially I laughed but then realized he was serious. "Yes sir" , said I, and then accidentally slept the entire flight instead of keeping a watchful eye for a statistical improbability..... ;)
     
  12. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Would you not agree that they qualify as "insider" which is the exact term I used. Insider, aka, someone who works a job and is supposed to be where he's supposed to be and then uses or abuses his access rights to get an unfair advantage on the system to do damage. Or maybe some outsider can rush the ramp, hide, and gain access to the plane.

    Risk analysis is statistics based on numbers? This comes off like wearing an meteorite-proof helmet so you can survive one hitting your head from outer space when it enters earth's atmosphere. I mean, sure I guess you could. But IMO, I'd rather make sure I put my seatbelt on in a car. Eg, what I am driving at is that there are far more important things like 117 cargo carve out and postal/cargo screenings or lack thereof.

    I don't mean to personally offend you. I know you've served your country, flew fighters, flew armed, and now fly cargo 121. You sir can pack all day long and twice on Sundays :) I respect you even when we don't agree. You already know my views on the FFDO program for pax carriers, let alone cargo.
     
  13. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e Virtue Signaling Intersectional Nonbinary Otherkin

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    No offense at all taken, man.

    I'm not an FFDO, but I completely see the utility for it.

    Opinions and stuff.
     
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  14. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    Just wondering what flying 121 has to do with cargo flying? Or half the stuff you go on about?
     
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  15. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e Virtue Signaling Intersectional Nonbinary Otherkin

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    I just got back from going for a nice run on a beautiful SoCal evening, and upon reflection I realized that I had a bit of an attack of the jagoff in this thread earlier. There was no need to schlong-measure, so I apologize.

    Back to your regularly-scheduled forum bickering.
     
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  16. GypsyPilot

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    No, but I would imagine there's zero tolerance for any type of weapon being brought into that workplace.
     
  17. FL350

    FL350 Well-Known Member

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    yeah, what a terrible person. No one should enjoy life like this guy.
     
  18. learhawkerbe400

    learhawkerbe400 Well-Known Member

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    I get the need for the FFDO program I guess.

    But am I the only one who feels a little uncomfortable when Billy Bob sitting next to me straps on his piece when we're about to push?
     
  19. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    I don't think I've flown with an FFDO since a domestic turn I did on the 767 years ago.
     
  20. Skåning

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    Did somebody say guns?

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