Starting 121 career with Sun Country

Yakob

Grand Prognosticator Nominee
I'm not sure where the idea that people are washing out left and right here comes from. The sample that I'm familiar with has been 80-90% success which seems pretty good. I would expect that to lower as the hiring crunch intensifies. The instructors are excellent and will liberally give extra help. Those who wash out tend to do so by their own decision. That being said, the learning curve can get to be very intense when you start to take a lot of pilots without 121 or jet or transport cat a/c time.

I'm not trying to downplay the negatives and downsides, it's just that many have already been said. And sure, it's fair to compare SY to a regional. It just makes it easy to see how much better it is in so many ways. Unless your first priority is job security. If that is the case OO should be your #1.
Just to be clear, I have no idea what the pass rate at Sun Country is, I was just responding to Rodger Wilco's statement that there was a high wash out rate. In my opinion that's not necessarily a reason to go to or remain at a Regional over Sun Country (though it could be if the problem is truly very bad at SY). My opinion is based on the fact that many regionals have high washout rates as well, which my employer certainly did the first year or two we had the EMB-145.

That said I'm going to have to disagree with you about OO. At the regionals there tends to be very little job security (see Comair, ACA, ASA, Skyway, Regions Air, etc.). Someone who is actually at OO might know better, but it seems to me that the lack of union representation could be a problem as well. Couldn't SkyWest, for example, create an Alter Ego? That's something most union contracts prohibit and that would certainly put an end to any job security, and just one of the many disadvantages of being non-union.
 
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nibake

Powder hound
Just to be clear, I have no idea what the pass rate at Sun Country is, I was just responding to Rodger Wilco's statement that there was a high wash out rate. In my opinion that's not necessarily a reason to go to or remain at a Regional over Sun Country (though it could be if the problem is truly very bad at SY). My opinion is based on the fact that many regionals have high washout rates as well, which my employer certainly did the first year or two we had the EMB-145.

That said I'm going to have to disagree with you about OO. At the regionals there tends to be very little job security (see Comair, ACA, ASA, Skyway, Regions Air, etc.). Someone who is actually at OO might know better, but it seems to me that the lack of union representation could be a problem as well. Couldn't SkyWest, for example, create an Alter Ego? That's something most union contracts prohibit and that would certainly put an end to any job security, and just one of the many disadvantages of being non-union.
I don't disagree, I was mostly being tongue-in-cheek. Nevertheless, one thing that seems certain is the bottom-feeders never seem to go away. Although it's a good point that they often morph into something else.
 

Autothrust Blue

"Blakeley's face was grave."
I don't disagree, I was mostly being tongue-in-cheek. Nevertheless, one thing that seems certain is the bottom-feeders never seem to go away. Although it's a good point that they often morph into something else.
Cockroaches and Mesa Airlines.
 

ProtegePilot

Bid Avoids driving the Deuce
So I interviewed on a whim and got a class date for March 2. Buuuuut...I'm hearing I can get better offers elsewhere.
 

jynxyjoe

The Kickin' Chicken!
So I interviewed on a whim and got a class date for March 2. Buuuuut...I'm hearing I can get better offers elsewhere.
If you sit in msp too long that can happen. True story.

"No, im, im not trying to interview or move to MSP. No really. No i dont care."
 

nibake

Powder hound
So many options right now. Degree? Wanting/willing to move? It's a good time at SY but at ORD you have a lot of other options.What about Spirit?
 

Low_Level_Hell

Well-Known Member
For those familiar with MSP, is transferring between the Humphrey and Lindbergh Terminals difficult when it comes to commuting? The MSP airport website doesn't specify if one must to go through security when transferring terminals.

I'm currently looking into VA funded B737 type training, does getting this type of training on one's own look unfavorably to airline interviewers?
 

n156499000

Titanius Anglesmith
For those familiar with MSP, is transferring between the Humphrey and Lindbergh Terminals difficult when it comes to commuting? The MSP airport website doesn't specify if one must to go through security when transferring terminals.
Difficult, no. Time consuming, yes. Even from the G/C bridge getting to the train in T1 is a labarynthian mess of escalators and hallways. Depending on your timing there’s a potential 10 minute wait for the next train. Then once you get to T2 you have to schlep through the parking garage before you get to the terminal proper. Never had a line at T2 KCM but going Humphrey to Lindbergh if the bridge checkpoint is closed you have to take the tram through the parking ramp basement then maneuver your way to the KCM in baggage. I never timed it, but casually walking it can easily take 30 minutes or more depending on the train(s).
 

nibake

Powder hound
KCM on both sides is a bit of a hike from the other checkpoints, although this might get better when construction is done in T2? At any rate, for the moment, if when you get "randomed" you will lose another 10+ minutes.
 

ProtegePilot

Bid Avoids driving the Deuce
So many options right now. Degree? Wanting/willing to move? It's a good time at SY but at ORD you have a lot of other options.What about Spirit?
Yes, able to, and currently getting apps out to everywhere else. I basically sent a "thanks but no thanks" note this week to SY.
 

Dexter

Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
Difficult, no. Time consuming, yes. Even from the G/C bridge getting to the train in T1 is a labarynthian mess of escalators and hallways. Depending on your timing there’s a potential 10 minute wait for the next train. Then once you get to T2 you have to schlep through the parking garage before you get to the terminal proper. Never had a line at T2 KCM but going Humphrey to Lindbergh if the bridge checkpoint is closed you have to take the tram through the parking ramp basement then maneuver your way to the KCM in baggage. I never timed it, but casually walking it can easily take 30 minutes or more depending on the train(s).
This is the tip of the iceberg of how much of an absolute maze/mess navigating MSP airport is until you've done it for about 3-6 months.
 
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