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Spirit Contract Now

Discussion in 'Airline Pilots' started by Cruise, Apr 28, 2017.

  1. Box hauler

    Box hauler Well-Known Member

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    If the pilots agreed to PBS I imagine it would take the company a long time to implement it. If the PBS language is done right I am ok with switching to it personally. I just hope that we don't spend another year trying to iron out every little detail.
     
  2. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Something to think about in case you guys merge.


    Our unions knew we have PBS, AS has line bidding. So for the JCBA, they agreed to only open up scope, pay, and retirement sections to ratify or send to arbitration worse case. Scheduling 25 improvements are going to be handled separately under a MOU. Scheduling improvements have to happen FIRST, then and only then does the company get the ability to start looking at PBS for the combined pilot group. Several advantages to this setup: one, we don't let PBS defer and extend JCBA negotiations. As it stands, we will get our JCBA out by Oct 29th. Two, they don't just get PBS unless they give us some scheduling improvements first. Three, it gives both sides lots of time to get the merger done, operations integrated, one list, etc. without having to do just what you said: spend another year tying to iron out details, while we wait for things we need now.
     
  3. skypilot6

    skypilot6 Well-Known Member

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    I want the new contract to state that all the panels on the plane have to match, I flew a brand new A321 today, built in July, all the panels did not match...
     
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  4. skypilot6

    skypilot6 Well-Known Member

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    And I agree with @Nark I think PBS is inevitable, if by some miracle it doesn't happen this time around it will the next time. I'm all for it but the the rest of the deal has to make up for it, and it currently falls short.
     
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  5. Cruise

    Cruise Well-Known Member

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    I agree about swinging for the fences isn't typically a good deal for the pilot group. However, the company proposal was a total turd. Sure, the pay rates were a significant raise across the board...but it also gutted tons of work rules to get there. That simply won't work!

    I'm all for PBS, with major language on how schedules/ vacations/ training are awarded and paid. Also, ALPA needs the controls...not the company.
     
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  6. pete2800

    pete2800 'Member?

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    To sign off on PBS I'm going to go ahead and need Southwest's scope and minimum days off, and Delta's pay rates, profit sharing.

    Lol.
     
  7. Box hauler

    Box hauler Well-Known Member

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    Relax a little dude, if ALPA is in charge of PBS it won't be that bad. I want to get paid too but if you really expect to have the best of everything you aren't being realistic at all. Last time I checked PBS seems to be becoming the new industry standard so you can't demand the world in order to accept something that is standard. Spirit deserves a fair deal but anyone who holds out for what you are asking for is going to screw us all by causing months if not years of delays in pay that we needed for some time already. That said the proposal was sub par and nothing any of us would had agreed to.
     
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    AAPalmTree Well-Known Member

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    I'd like a true costing of line vs pbs bidding. I'm thinking it's worth a metric ton to mgt.
     
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  9. woodreau

    woodreau Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if I want GH at our ALPA scheduling committee being in charge of PBS pairings. He builds himself a nice transition conflict line every month and union drops everything anyways.

    For GH specifically, I think PBS would cost him a lot of money versus the line bidding he does now - the average joe line pilot? - dunno it would have to depend on the rules and conditions that we're able to secure before agreeing to it.
     
  10. Nark

    Nark Well-Known Member

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    Only a smaller percentage of people are able to conflict bid successfully. I'd say 20%. However when it works, it's great.

    If the price is right, I'll vote for a TA with PBS. But what Bendo put out, he got rid of all the soft pay (nearly so) and gave us Allegiant pay. Eff that.

    I'm glad the NC said no to that. What an embarrassment.
     
  11. z987k

    z987k TeamANC

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    Any time the company tries to go around the union, it's always a crap sandwich and the members need to tell the company to shove it up their ass.
    If it were a good deal, they'd have been able to come to an agreement with the union on it.
    Things like this are only for the purpose of breaking solidarity.
     
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    CirrusMonkey No Real Usefulness

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    The strike vote results told the company just that. FUPM
     
  13. skypilot6

    skypilot6 Well-Known Member

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    So in addition to the company email, they mailed the proposal to my house. I would think that is not a normal thing to do.

    Oh and it cost them $1.19 in postage to do so, was doing that really worth 2 grand to the company?
     
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    CirrusMonkey No Real Usefulness

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    Not to mention that those were mailed out Friday morning. For those of you keeping score, negotiations ended Saturday morning just after midnight. They had not intentions of coming to AN agreement.
     
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  15. skypilot6

    skypilot6 Well-Known Member

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    Mine was postmarked saturday, but either way to send out that many in quick order had some pre planning involved.
     
  16. learhawkerbe400

    learhawkerbe400 Well-Known Member

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    I much prefer PBS for monthly bidding. At 45% I get whatever I want.

    However, it's a job killer. It's the reason for some of the stagnation at AA now. It requires at least 5% fewer pilots, probably more.
     
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    CirrusMonkey No Real Usefulness

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    Yeah thats weird. Mine was postmarked on Friday.
     
  18. jtrain609

    jtrain609 I'm a carnal, organic anagram.

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    Stagnation? Aren't you guys hiring 7% of your seniority list every year?
     
  19. skypilot6

    skypilot6 Well-Known Member

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    Either way, "Hey we are dealing with a hurricane and had to move our entire operation out of Miramar, let's send a mass mailing to all of our pilots!"

    The email was enough and I'm sure just about everyone has seen it by now, but the mailing and the fact they spent so much to send what we got in said email, should be pissing everyone off.
     
  20. learhawkerbe400

    learhawkerbe400 Well-Known Member

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    Not 7% this year, close to 4.5% more than likely.

    I guess I'm spoiled. We still have movement but parking old airplanes, PBS, combining international and domestic and the first combined bid between US and AA have slowed things down some.
     

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