Ryanair Pilots strikes

Pépé le Pilot

Well-Known Member
#3
Ireland is not Euroland, and trust me that Air France or Lufthansa pilots are much, much better off than most, part of that has to deal with paid holidays (7 weeks here in France) and also retirement. See in our socialists countries, the states run retirements. I haven't heard of anyone having lost his pension because his company merged or folded ! Ryanair on the other hand, doesn't have employees. They have contractors. There are very, very few pilots working directly for the company. But the winds are turning. RYR has been sentenced to very heavy fines in Germany, France, Spain, Italy etc for using contractors, basing them in those countries and not paying social security, retirement etc where they are based. Furthermore, RYR has always been the last recourse for European pilots who didn't make it to their national airlines; these guys have always used this hole company to apply to Emirates, Qatar or anybody else. Work conditions are atrocious at RYR but it took them a very long time to get organized, and the company is now facing a major threat to its economic model and it's coming from all sides. Easyjet has changed drastically since it started, pilots and cabin crews are organized by countries, the French branch has a very decent contract for instance.
 

jynxyjoe

The Kickin' Chicken!
#7
They did and the outcome was really interesting. Because of the strike in Ireland, FR will relocate appr. 10 planes to Poland. 100 pilots and 200 cc can either move to poland or start looking for a new job.
*Shrug* it's their company.

I remember a company that told the pilots theyd stfd if they had to pay pilots an extra penny and to leave if they didn't like it. Companies can always change their mind. Dont mind being in the cheap seats for this one.
 

Pépé le Pilot

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#8
They did and the outcome was really interesting. Because of the strike in Ireland, FR will relocate appr. 10 planes to Poland. 100 pilots and 200 cc can either move to poland or start looking for a new job.
They already did and went to Emirates instead. Hundreds of flights are cancelled for lack of crews. Basically RYR adjusts or times will become more difficult than they already are. Brexit is also making things even more complicated for them.
 

Der rote Baron

Well-Known Member
#10
Everything bad about airline pilot labor relations is 100x worse in Euroland.

If you want to see what this job would look like without a strong central labor organization, look no further.
Hmm..... a strong labour organization is really important, but doesn’t help if the NMB says NO. At least pilots are allowed to strike in Euroland if they want....
 
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Der rote Baron

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#11
They already did and went to Emirates instead. Hundreds of flights are cancelled for lack of crews. Basically RYR adjusts or times will become more difficult than they already are. Brexit is also making things even more complicated for them.
Nope, I‘m talking about the strike 2 weeks ago. After the strike „Darth O‘Leary“ made the announcement to relocate 10 aircraft from Dublin to Poland.

When the german pilot group joined VC (Vereinigung Cockpit) I knew interesting times ahead
 

smack300

Well-Known Member
#13
I don't know how Ryanair makes money. A few years ago I flew from Vienna to London Stansted to Edinburgh to Krakow for less than $100.
 
#15
And I've flown Frontier SFO-ORD-SFO for $98 roundtrip, or SFO-LAS for $19.13 after tax one way.

However, I had no bag, no carry-on, knew the policies, didn't select a seat, ect.

The average joe gets reeled in with "WOW, Chicago for $98 roundtrip!". $35 for a carry-on, $25 for a checked bag, $13 to make sure you sit with your wife, $3 for a soda, now you just paid about as much as you would have on Southwest with a fare sale. And that is if you pay up front, it is always more expensive at the airport. Ryanair is much like Spirit, forget the printed boarding pass? Yikes, won't be cheap for us to print you another at check-in! Didn't prepay the $35 for the carry-on? That'll be $100 or GTFO. That is where the money comes in, if everyone was like me booked their trips around the cheapest fares, rather than specific dates, and just hopped on the planes with a backpack and sat wherever, then these airlines would not make money.
 

Pépé le Pilot

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#16
They make a lot of money... selling aircrafts. They bulk-order 737s and sell them when they get them. They get financed by regions (tedious to explain but basically, they open flights from small cities, and get money for that from the region (France, for instance is divided in 23 regions, each has some kind of authority over their airports). So even though the flight looses money they compensate with the fee the region has to pay to get RYR service. Quite clever. The contract each region signs is incredibly complex, and can only be arbitrated in London in case of disagreement. RYR succeeded in getting hundreds of millions like that up until the European commission lowered the maximum amount allowed. However, Brexit is changing quite of a lot of things for RYR. They are at a pivotal moment, O'Leary knows it, and he's trying to maintain composure in the process, but everyone knows that he's lost the game. We'll see what the future holds for him, but either RYR changes or it will disappear sooner or later.
 
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jynxyjoe

The Kickin' Chicken!
#18
They don't need to brainstorm at all. They just need to start paying up, and giving guys decent schedules. The solution is really simple. Quit being greedy bastards, and charge what it actually costs to run an airline properly.
Hey man, preaching to the choir.

They must have enough cash theyre gonna "try" a few things because theyre greedy bastards. Their DNA is greedy bastard, a tiger doesnt change its stripes that easy.
 

mshunter

Well-Known Member
#19
Hey man, preaching to the choir.

They must have enough cash theyre gonna "try" a few things because theyre greedy bastards. Their DNA is greedy bastard, a tiger doesnt change its stripes that easy.
Oh, I know I'm preaching to the choir. Ryanair is the "Eff it, I'm going to learn how to drive trucks" job.
 

jynxyjoe

The Kickin' Chicken!
#20
Oh, I know I'm preaching to the choir. Ryanair is the "Eff it, I'm going to learn how to drive trucks" job.
And I should add something less choirlike so as to be intellectually honest; when it comes to the ryan airs, mesa, and gojets of the world, "you knew the pay when you went to work there, leave".
 
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