Ready to start/purchase a flight school.

jvues

New Member
Hello JC members,

I am approaching this platform to see if anyone knows of any flight academy for sale in California. Preferably 141/SEVIS approved.

Any feedback will be appreciated.

Thanks!
 

SpinAware

New Member
I used to be a F.I in part 141 school in CA.

If you have came across any school, let me know. We can discuss.

I met few guys from CAFU & CAAC. If you interested to get CAAC certification, to bring in Chinese students, I think I can help. BUT, ... ...
 

jvues

New Member
Hi spinaware,

Getting CAAC approval is definitely something I am interested in discussing. Are you still in touch with the folks who can help getting the approval?

Thanks!
 

SpinAware

New Member
These guys are in my WeChat. :) Facebook is blocked in China and they relied on WeChat very much. In fact, I knew what documents to send to CAAV (Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam) and CAAC (Civil Aviation Authority of China) and the exact procedures of apply for CAAC and CAAV certification! Once you have the certifications, it will be easy to do marketing! Big lucrative business.

Most aviation schools in US depends of foreign students! US students are no longer precious as it used to be.


By the way, below are some valuable tips for your future flight school

1. I have seen a few Part 141 schools enforcing strict English instruction. Sometimes, it is good to have. But over-enforcing is not good.
2. It is good to have a few mandarin speaking CFI around to facilitate teaching. The Chinese airlines and CAAC actually prefer mandarin speaking CFI around in the school.
3. Indian CFI is big no-no. Never hire Indian CFI. You can have them as Ground Instructors but NOT Flight Instructors.
4. Never ever employ a racist American and/or Indian.
5. Don't be greedy in over absorbing Chinese airline cadets.

If the school pissed the foreign cadets, they will file complain to their foreign aviation authority and the school certification awarded will be revoked.
 
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jvues

New Member
Spinaware,

Yeah I am aware of Facebook issue and for that reason I started using WeChat few years ago. What was your exact role in getting CAAC and CAAV approval? Which state are you in currently?
 

SpinAware

New Member
I am not the "middleman".

Asian working cultures are very different from American! Asian geared towards trust & networking. It is about who you know, not what you know. If you know the correct person, it will work out smoothly.

I met the CAAV guys in Hanoi in Year 2016. I managed to facilitate the connection with CAAV through my network (my friend's father in-law is a Colonel in Vietnamese Air Force) and Flight School in Indonesia. CAAV guys were invited to Indonesia for assessment and certification was granted.

In Year 2017 June, I happened to meet the head of CAFU in Wuhan. Through him, I met CAAC people. Nice people to chat! One of the CAFU deputy operational heads was here in Arizona to do sudden inspection on the school.

By the way, I am in Texas! :)
 

SpinAware

New Member
All airlines in Asia in booming! Typically, Southeast Asia!

Many airlines requires low timers (referring to new Commercial graduates; non-type rated) and these low-timer positions are strictly reserved for their own citizens.

Vietnamese has limited choices to get themselves trained. However, there is a big demand!


By the way, I am not a Vietnamese. :def:
 

SpinAware

New Member
Here's my tips when planning to start a flight school:

No.1:
You can starts a small school first. You need not to be hungry getting a Part 141 certification inclusive of Private all the way till ATP.

No.2:
You can get a Part 141 certification with Private Pilot course. Try it out first for a year, and then expand FAA certification with Instrument and Commercial.

No.3:
You need to arrange some decent accommodations (for foreign students & CFI) which is near to the airport. Talk to the house-owners to work out a plan. Don't be too focus on school.

I have seen some small sized Part 141 schools, don't take care of these students' needs. The schools expected these foreign students to look for room by themselves when they arrived. Believe me, these school owners are bunch of idiots!

No.4:
Work with a a few reliable DPEs. I personally met a DPE who deliberately failed students just to get more money! I do not want to name but I have filed a few complaints to FSDO. Also, Part 141 school certification cannot be renewed because too much failure rate. I started to realise, DPE wasn't happy with the school and wanted the school to be shut.

Always remember, disengage the DPE immediately if your students keep failing.
 

jvues

New Member
I have been doing all that for over 8 years now. Got familiar with it all and decided to start my own operations. I agree with your though process. I would like to add one more thing about DPE, there are some who wants to fail students so their own pass rate doesn’t go through roof and they can avoid getting on FAA’s radar. Innocent students are victims of this.
 
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