I'm about 28TT.....and about $3500 into my Private now with my two solo cross-countries, the night cross country with my instructor, some solo work and the checkride left to go. So, figure in about another $1200 to $1500.... and there you are.
Take into account, however, that I'm training in a 172 that rents for $80 an hr (I'm 6'3, 210 and my instructor wieghs in around 240), so you MIGHT be able to get it down if you can fly a 152 throughout training.
I'm with you guys..... $15 THOUSAND for the PRIVATE?????? /ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif Surely you jest. Was that a type-o? Did you mean to type $5K and hit the "one" for some unknown reason??? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif
At my school I get asked this all the time. I always say about $3900 in a 152, around $4500 in a 172. The savings are short term in the smaller airplane however, since a new private pilot trained in the smaller airplane will want to checkout in something larger right away. This usually takes 3-5 hours with an instructor, so the difference becomes much smaller. One must consider the "miscellaneous" items like charts, plotter, EB6 (get the electronic one and get out of the stone age), books, written test fee, headset (one that no one else sweats in), medical exam, and examiner's fee if not taken with the FAA.
Of course, those individuals whose learning curve is a rather, shall we say "shallow approach", will need more time and more expense.
I'm 3120 in and still have 2 hours solo and the checkride prep. Oh and the exam fee for the checkride will be 350 plus the rental. So its looking like 3700-3800 If all goes well. This is not counting roughly around 300-400 in books charts E6B etc. Of course some of this (very little ) will be used in the future. Then the toys just get more expensive....headset, gps, etc.
I suggest geting some good study materials, study hard (self study). Then find an instructor that can teach you. Most are very good but a few are just burned out. Be aware that there are a few milk farmers, if your not showing progress or at least slowly moving forward talk to your instructor.
The money saver will be fly as often as possible this keeps you in tune and i feel large gaps is money wasted on review. Try to target 3 or more times a week. After you work through any problems you might have had focus on the req. for PP (after your solo).
Always remember if your not having fun then you need to step back and consider where/what/if there is a problem.
Been out of touch for a bit... The breakdown:
The Chief CFI's time, 90 hours, aircraft rental of 60 hours, checkride; and pilot supplies including books, headset, flight bag, case, charts, and so on:
90 hours * $100 = $9000 (50 hours flight time, 40 hours ground instruction)
60 hours * $85 = $5100 (60 hours aircraft rental, less if flies more often, or $600 less in other aircraft)
$300 for checkride
$600 for the pilot supplies.
Total = $15,000
Use one of the other instructors, not the CCFI, and the other aircraft:
90 hours * $50 = $4500 (50 hours flight time, 40 hours ground instruction)
60 hours * $75 = $4500 (60 hours aircraft rental, less if flies more often)
$300 for checkride
$600 for the pilot supplies.
Total = $9,900
After this training, the IFR can take $8000 or more, depending the proficiency of the pilot and their private training.
It's difficult to explain the "why" behind the prices on-line or in phone conversations. This is a different kind of flight school. I know for a fact that the training I received through this school has saved the lives of three people, including mine, during a flight where there was very little time to think (measured in nanoseconds), and the first decision had to be the right decision.
I am in Van Nuys and Bakersfield. Fresno was several moves ago.
Our Van Nuys competition offers somewhat new (1998-2000) Cessna 172's at $82 per hour DRY (renter pays for fuel at 8 gallons * $3 per hour, aircraft owner/lessee gets to replace cylinders more often).
The new (2001/2002) Cessna 172SPs for rent in Fresno are at $98 per hour WET (with fuel). The owner of that school reports business is just fine.
The $100 rate mentioned is for the Chief Instructor. I think he is underpriced.
Some personal background to this story&#8230; When the Chief Instructor for the American Bonanza Society crashed in IMC after a vacuum failure, I stopped flying IFR. If this instructor that WROTE the IFR training program for their refresher clinics couldn&#8217;t survive gyro failure, how could I?
At the time of this incident, the instructor had given less than nine hours of training over the previous four months towards my regaining IFR currency and proficiency. I had almost one hour in the right seat working on the CFII.
Ten thousand plus hour pilot in left seat. Flown in all sorts of conditions including a 3 hour hard IMC flight the previous week. I&#8217;m riding right seat for the fun of it. Pilot is taking aircraft owner&#8217;s son to summer camp. The son is not a pilot and sitting back seat. We are in IMC and the pilot, also an aircraft maintenance technician, is evaluating the autopilot&#8217;s function. He finds the autopilot will not couple to the nav, but will hold heading and altitude. A while into the clouds, I notice we are rolling into a medium right bank for no apparent reason. The pilot complains about the autopilot not coupling again, but we were in heading hold mode.
I had less than three seconds to figure out which, if any, flight instruments were telling me the truth looking at them from the right seat. This process is not in any book. In fact, the only way to get this process is attend one of our WINGS Seminars (free) or obtain training at this flight school. Then I had to battle for the controls as the pilot was completely disorientated and who knew what trim the autopilot had left us.
When I recovered the aircraft, we were about to exceed red line airspeed, over 60 degrees of bank, over 10 degrees pitch down, and the VSI was pegged down. The autopilot had disconnected during this so the aircraft was very much out of trim. Passing through 500 feet below our assigned altitude, my hearing returned to ATC screaming at us to climb. The passenger didn&#8217;t know a thing as the pilot had the intercom on &#8220;crew isolate.&#8221; A few more seconds and the NTSB would be investigating P210 confetti from the inflight breakup.
I logged that flight as dual given. I figured I&#8217;d earned it.
BTW, the &#8220;Surviving Gyro Failure in IMC&#8221; WINGS Seminar will be in Bakersfield on August 8th.