man has trouble maintaining altitude, airspeed, localizer, glideslope...

JordanD

Honorary Member
"clipping terrain in the fog while scud running"
There's no way it's not Jerry
Naw, there’s a video out there of a Bonanza(?) hitting trees and somehow escaping during a VFR in IMC.
I heard it was the same guy that was out doing acro in his L-39 over the Santa Monica pier?


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Didn't that airplane crash a couple years back? Not sure if he was flying it at the time.
 

MidlifeFlyer

Well-Known Member
I have a question. I am not multi rated and know nothing about the 414. In his latest, JerryW waits long enough to put the gear down that he gets a "check gear down" prompt from Tower. Stated reason for the delay is he is above Vlo.

I've noticed Jerry typically waits to put the gear down, although not quite this long. Is this typical? In the single world, the common procedure on an instrument approach is to get down to Vlo before the FAF and "gear down, go down" when crossing it or intercepting the glideslope. Is it different for twins or in this model? Is Vlo so low that slowing to it before the FAF would not make sense.
 

gotWXdagain

Highly Visible Member
I have a question. I am not multi rated and know nothing about the 414. In his latest, JerryW waits long enough to put the gear down that he gets a "check gear down" prompt from Tower. Stated reason for the delay is he is above Vlo.

I've noticed Jerry typically waits to put the gear down, although not quite this long. Is this typical? In the single world, the common procedure on an instrument approach is to get down to Vlo before the FAF and "gear down, go down" when crossing it or intercepting the glideslope. Is it different for twins or in this model? Is Vlo so low that slowing to it before the FAF would not make sense.
I’ve never flown a twin that you don’t put gear down before GS/FAF.
 

z987k

Well-Known Member
I have a question. I am not multi rated and know nothing about the 414. In his latest, JerryW waits long enough to put the gear down that he gets a "check gear down" prompt from Tower. Stated reason for the delay is he is above Vlo.

I've noticed Jerry typically waits to put the gear down, although not quite this long. Is this typical? In the single world, the common procedure on an instrument approach is to get down to Vlo before the FAF and "gear down, go down" when crossing it or intercepting the glideslope. Is it different for twins or in this model? Is Vlo so low that slowing to it before the FAF would not make sense.
He's probably way behind the plane. In those geared and turbo pistons in order to not only stage cool but not drive the engine with the prop you have to start reducing power and slowing way further out than normal. If you don't it's really hard to go down and slow down, now you're fast and can't put the gear or flaps out.
Saw it all the time with new guys on the pa31. If you aren't at gear speed by the FAF you'll be going around because youre not getting there without extra drag or putting yourself in a unstable state.
 

MidlifeFlyer

Well-Known Member
He's probably way behind the plane. In those geared and turbo pistons in order to not only stage cool but not drive the engine with the prop you have to start reducing power and slowing way further out than normal. If you don't it's really hard to go down and slow down, now you're fast and can't put the gear or flaps out.
Saw it all the time with new guys on the pa31. If you aren't at gear speed by the FAF you'll be going around because youre not getting there without extra drag or putting yourself in a unstable state.
No different than a fast single. That's what I would've thought but I wasn't sure. Thanks.
 

ATN_Pilot

Socialist Pig Member
I have a question. I am not multi rated and know nothing about the 414. In his latest, JerryW waits long enough to put the gear down that he gets a "check gear down" prompt from Tower. Stated reason for the delay is he is above Vlo.

I've noticed Jerry typically waits to put the gear down, although not quite this long. Is this typical? In the single world, the common procedure on an instrument approach is to get down to Vlo before the FAF and "gear down, go down" when crossing it or intercepting the glideslope. Is it different for twins or in this model? Is Vlo so low that slowing to it before the FAF would not make sense.
I treat my 421 like I treated any airliner I flew, and that’s how the insurance approved sim centers all train it, too. Gear is down by the FAF, or abeam the numbers on a visual. If tower is asking you about your gear, you’ve done screwed up.
 

Kingairer

'Tiger Team' Member
I have a question. I am not multi rated and know nothing about the 414. In his latest, JerryW waits long enough to put the gear down that he gets a "check gear down" prompt from Tower. Stated reason for the delay is he is above Vlo.

I've noticed Jerry typically waits to put the gear down, although not quite this long. Is this typical? In the single world, the common procedure on an instrument approach is to get down to Vlo before the FAF and "gear down, go down" when crossing it or intercepting the glideslope. Is it different for twins or in this model? Is Vlo so low that slowing to it before the FAF would not make sense.
You have to remember that Jerry always covers his many mistakes with some BS cover. If you’ve waited so long to put gear down that the tower is calling it out to you, that’s because You forgot it or flying a very non standard:unstable approach.
 
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