Landing Assured

N519AT

Ahh! This is how I change this!
What exactly does this mean? I heard it on my scanner the other day with Toledo Approach...Thanks
 

Alchemy

Partner, Ally, Friend
To me, the point where "landing is assured" is the point where you could lose all engine power and still make the runway.

We use the term most often during single engine approaches in multi engine airplanes or engine out approaches in single engine airplanes. In those situations, is usually a good idea not to apply flaps and in a multi to maintain at or above the single engine best rate of climb speed until "landing is assured".
 

N519AT

Ahh! This is how I change this!
Ok. But what if it was a helicopter (this case it was [Lifeflight 1])? Same General Concept?
 

Alchemy

Partner, Ally, Friend
I would assume so, but I couldn't say yes or no with any degree of confidence since I've never done anything involving helicopters other than refueling them. I couldn't find this term defined in the AIM pilot/controller glossary either.
 

MikeD

Administrator
Staff member
The term "landing assured" is used in a couple of different ways. In the way you mention, with a helicopter, it's used in this way: Take PHX for example. Within the PHX tower's Class D airspace, there's numerous hospital helicopter pads located within. Helo's heading to these hospital pads must contact PHX tower, but only because they're entering the tower's Class D (apart from the overlying Class B airspace); but since PHX tower can't always see the exact helo pads, it's more of an advisory call by the helo in order to get winds/altimeter/WX, etc. This also requires tower to issue a "land at own risk" call. So the calls will normally go like this:

"PHX tower, AirEvac 9 is 5 north for St. Joes"

"AirEvac 9, PHX tower, PHX altimeter 29.96, winds 350 at 5, landing will be at your own risk, report landing assured"

And the helo will report when it's on the deck at the hospital.

The other place you hear "landing assured" is with fixed-wing on ASR/PAR approaches. On a PAR, the GCA controller, as he's talking you down, will advise you when you reach DH. Call will be "Hog 45, at decision height". To where my response will be either "Hog 45 landing assured", or "Hog 45, executing missed" ("executing climbout", for practice approaches). If I call landing assured, the next call from the GCA controller will be "Hog 45, contact tower on rollout." With an ASR approach, the controller will call when at MDA, and when at 1 mile from the runway. I would then make the same calls at the appropriate time.

MD
 

MikeD

Administrator
Staff member
Forgot to mention the "land at own risk" call from tower is required since they aren't actually controlling the hospital pads (not their airfield/responsibility), so they can't give a formal "cleared to land" clearance. They're just controlling the traffic within their Class D.
 
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