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Know before you launch!

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by bike21, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. bike21

    bike21 Stabilizer Motion

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    Unfortunately some stereotypes exist for a reason...

    This morning after departing LAS we overhead a GA pilot that launched out of SGU asking about flying over the Grand Canyon to center. The exchange started like this and didn't get much better...

    "Hey there center, can I just overly the Grand Canyon? I thought it'd be on ma Garmin but it isn't, ain't there some special routes or VFR corridor I can do?"

    Guess I could've been like that GoJet pilot in the other thread and keyed the mic to say something snarky :rolleyes:, but we just shook our heads and listened in amazement at his ignorance and center's patience. Kudos to the controller for being magnanimous.

    So a little PSA for anyone flying into unfamiliar environs for the first time, do your research first and learn about any applicable rules or special operating aspects. By all means, ask questions as needed but at least be mildly informed for the good of us all.
     
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  2. JordanD

    JordanD Sizeable Member

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    You mean I can't just buzz over one of the wonders of the world willy nilly?
     
  3. Screaming_Emu

    Screaming_Emu You people

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    You should hear US passenger airlines overseas. Straight up embarrassing.
     
  4. bike21

    bike21 Stabilizer Motion

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    We've all been 'that guy' at one point or another.
     
  5. Screaming_Emu

    Screaming_Emu You people

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    I need to make a scumbag Steve meme that says “Has terrible radio terminology, makes fun of other people’s English.”
     
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  6. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Yes. This.
     
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  7. JordanD

    JordanD Sizeable Member

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    It's hilarious how many times I hear tower at a class B or C airport tell a mainline aircraft "I need you to read back the runway sir" more than once.
     
  8. CFI A&P

    CFI A&P Well-Known Member

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    Some airports are serious about that, while others are very relaxed. Then you have Midway with "clear to cross all the 31s on yankee..."
     
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  9. Screaming_Emu

    Screaming_Emu You people

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    And then the pilot sounds super irritated.

    When I grab a new ATIS I occasionally sarcastically point out “apparently we need to read back all hold short clearances...that’s new.”

    But apparently...
     
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  10. n156499000

    n156499000 Titanius Anglesmith

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    Or LAX's reminder to "use callsign with all read backs" or something to that effect. Makes me chuckle, until I hear flight after flight read back just their number.
     
  11. Flyinthrew

    Flyinthrew Well-Known Member

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    I ask for UHF everywhere I go...and it's not because I have to. Sometimes I'll do VHF in the flight levels, but I have a choice not to listen to the malarkey.
     
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  12. Screaming_Emu

    Screaming_Emu You people

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    I can’t wait until we have CPDLC domestically like Canada. Until then I’ll be happy that most of my flying is outside the US.
     
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    I remember *phoning* the LAS FSDO in '03 to have them walk me through the special vfr chart before I could fly up there from Phoenix...
     
  14. NovemberEcho

    NovemberEcho Well-Known Member

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    And for goodness sakes please check in with the ATIS on initial call if you have it!
     
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    Maximillian_Jenius Super User

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    Reading this made me think of the recent conversation that I had with a co-worker two weeks ago. That said flying over the Grand Canyon was illegal, because there is an Area 51 type super secret military testing facility there.
     
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  16. Cory Trevor

    Cory Trevor Well-Known Member

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    Being ORD based has ruined me and reading back the assigned runway on taxi instructions is something I have to consciously think about when I’m not there
     
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  17. Jordan93

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    Listening to guard in the DC area is amazing.
     
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  18. CFI A&P

    CFI A&P Well-Known Member

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    Thread drift: Excellent profile photo.
     
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  19. web265

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    I’m based in the northeast at an airport without one, about 65% of the time the initial goes like this...

    US : “Approach N #### four thousand we have the weather at podunk request the visual”

    App: “Roger #### let us know when you get the weather and say approach request.”

    Perhaps because they didn’t hear whatever airport ATIS phonetic is current at their primary airport it doesn’t register?

     
  20. NovemberEcho

    NovemberEcho Well-Known Member

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    Probably just memorized that phraseology and spit it out without even thinking
     
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