KCM

KSCessnaDriver

Well-Known Member
#21
I disagree with the idea that only ALPA members can enjoy a systemic improvement. If a non-ALPA group developed an improvement in aviation, should they be able to limit it to non-ALPA carriers/people?

It's about the common good, not good just for one category of people.
So, what's the point in being ALPA then? Why pay dues, when you can just freeload off of ALPA later?
 

FL350

Well-Known Member
#26
Yes part 135 has access to KCM if the company sets it up through NATACs. Previous, and relatively small 135 opp, now has it.
 

Richman

Well-Known Member
#27
I mind me of a time of when crews simply walked out to the airplane.

But I get that it feels better when you stop hitting yourself with a hammer.
 

JordanD

Honorary Member
#29
So, what's the point in being ALPA then? Why pay dues, when you can just freeload off of ALPA later?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every airline pay for KCM? I feel like I remember hearing Mesa pilots had to pay for their own KCM and they're ALPA.

Are Southwest, AA, UPS, Republic, Atlas, considered freeloaders?
 

mikecweb

Third Generation Arizonan
#30
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every airline pay for KCM? I feel like I remember hearing Mesa pilots had to pay for their own KCM and they're ALPA.

Are Southwest, AA, UPS, Republic, Atlas, considered freeloaders?
To some, absolutely.
 

PhilosopherPilot

Well-Known Member
#31
To some, absolutely.
Because they don't understand what freeloading is, perhaps. The sponsor of a public improvement can't claim exclusive rights over said improvement. Unions gave given us a lot of dramatic public improvements over the last 100 years, and we all benefit from them as a society.

When did we become so selfish as a country? Whatever happened to the common good? I paid school taxes happily long before I had a child, yet these days I hear people say, "I don't have a kid, why do I pay school taxes?"

/rant
 

mikecweb

Third Generation Arizonan
#32
Because they don't understand what freeloading is, perhaps. The sponsor of a public improvement can't claim exclusive rights over said improvement. Unions gave given us a lot of dramatic public improvements over the last 100 years, and we all benefit from them as a society.

When did we become so selfish as a country? Whatever happened to the common good? I paid school taxes happily long before I had a child, yet these days I hear people say, "I don't have a kid, why do I pay school taxes?"

/rant
Fully agree.
 

JordanD

Honorary Member
#36
Because they don't understand what freeloading is, perhaps. The sponsor of a public improvement can't claim exclusive rights over said improvement. Unions gave given us a lot of dramatic public improvements over the last 100 years, and we all benefit from them as a society.

When did we become so selfish as a country? Whatever happened to the common good? I paid school taxes happily long before I had a child, yet these days I hear people say, "I don't have a kid, why do I pay school taxes?"

/rant
I plan on never having any kids but I'll gladly pony up some more for school taxes if it means less stupid people walking around.
 

JordanD

Honorary Member
#38
I also find it funny how the "only ALPA!" people are basically saying their own FAs shouldn't be allowed to use it either. If you stay in the same hotels, have fun taking earlier vans all the time so they can wait in regular security.
 

BobDDuck

Island Bus Driver
#39
I also find it funny how the "only ALPA!" people are basically saying their own FAs shouldn't be allowed to use it either. If you stay in the same hotels, have fun taking earlier vans all the time so they can wait in regular security.
Or, you could have language in your contract that provides vans for just the flight crew if the FA roll time is earlier.

I think most people's concern about FAs having access was somebody trying to carry something stupid through and ending the program. So far it's been a pretty 50/50 split on who's been caught with prohibited stuff though.
 
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