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Discussion in 'Airline Pilots' started by MikeFavinger, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. KSCessnaDriver

    KSCessnaDriver Well-Known Member

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    So, what's the point in being ALPA then? Why pay dues, when you can just freeload off of ALPA later?
     
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  2. PhilosopherPilot

    PhilosopherPilot Well-Known Member

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    ALPA has internal benefits for its members. And that's perfectly okay and fair. But when you change a public system, the change benefits the public.
     
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  3. Jordan93

    Jordan93 Well-Known Member

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    It's kind of weird they have one in Moline and not in places like Columbus.
     
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  4. CFI A&P

    CFI A&P Well-Known Member

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    Even Jackson, MS has KCM. I'm currently trying to establish KCM at my home airport and it is mind blowing how difficult it is. You'd think it would be easy given the low volume of passenger and KCM participants in Hinds County, MS.
     
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  5. bLizZuE

    bLizZuE Learning to Fly FiFi

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    NetJets does
     
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  6. FL350

    FL350 Well-Known Member

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    Yes part 135 has access to KCM if the company sets it up through NATACs. Previous, and relatively small 135 opp, now has it.
     
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  7. Richman

    Richman Well-Known Member

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    I mind me of a time of when crews simply walked out to the airplane.

    But I get that it feels better when you stop hitting yourself with a hammer.
     
  8. BigZ

    BigZ Well-Known Member

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    Ours is a small shop and supposedly getting it for us
     
  9. JordanD

    JordanD Sizeable Member

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every airline pay for KCM? I feel like I remember hearing Mesa pilots had to pay for their own KCM and they're ALPA.

    Are Southwest, AA, UPS, Republic, Atlas, considered freeloaders?
     
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  10. mikecweb

    mikecweb Third Generation Arizonan

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    To some, absolutely.
     
  11. PhilosopherPilot

    PhilosopherPilot Well-Known Member

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    Because they don't understand what freeloading is, perhaps. The sponsor of a public improvement can't claim exclusive rights over said improvement. Unions gave given us a lot of dramatic public improvements over the last 100 years, and we all benefit from them as a society.

    When did we become so selfish as a country? Whatever happened to the common good? I paid school taxes happily long before I had a child, yet these days I hear people say, "I don't have a kid, why do I pay school taxes?"

    /rant
     
  12. mikecweb

    mikecweb Third Generation Arizonan

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    Fully agree.
     
  13. Baronman

    Baronman Well-Known Member

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    I'm still scarred from pre-Kcm days of fighting through the terminal A security lines at EWR. Super narrow, long lines...
     
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  14. tcco94

    tcco94 Professional GTA V Pilot

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    I flew into there last week for the first time. That airport is nice!!

    Congrats on the new gig.
     
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  15. PhilosopherPilot

    PhilosopherPilot Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. Not ranting to you. Just complaining about the end of times that we are all going through. Lol
     
  16. JordanD

    JordanD Sizeable Member

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    I plan on never having any kids but I'll gladly pony up some more for school taxes if it means less stupid people walking around.
     
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  17. PhilosopherPilot

    PhilosopherPilot Well-Known Member

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    Amen!
     
  18. JordanD

    JordanD Sizeable Member

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    I also find it funny how the "only ALPA!" people are basically saying their own FAs shouldn't be allowed to use it either. If you stay in the same hotels, have fun taking earlier vans all the time so they can wait in regular security.
     
  19. BobDDuck

    BobDDuck Gone whale watching...

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    Or, you could have language in your contract that provides vans for just the flight crew if the FA roll time is earlier.

    I think most people's concern about FAs having access was somebody trying to carry something stupid through and ending the program. So far it's been a pretty 50/50 split on who's been caught with prohibited stuff though.
     
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  20. IslandFlyer

    IslandFlyer Well-Known Member

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    My previous 135 employer had about 8 airplanes and 20 pilots. We were granted KCM.
     

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