Jumpseating and TSA

jose1337

Well-Known Member
I think it is the 767, 777, and MD-11 that we can't use because there is no physical flight deck door.
 

paincorp

Well-Known Member
I think it is the 767, 777, and MD-11 that we can't use because there is no physical flight deck door.
I’ve been on an MD-11, and it does have the door. Guess I gotta rethink my plan for this weekend then, crap.

Thanks


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

jose1337

Well-Known Member
No prob, that's what I've heard thru the grapevine, I have never actually ridden JS on them yet.
 

who'swho

Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
I think it is the 767, 777, and MD-11 that we can't use because there is no physical flight deck door.
Cargo birds typically don't have cockpit doors. I haven't heard of any restriction in regards to JS on FedEx. Maybe someone confused the JS agreement for their airline?? Or maybe they encountered someone who didn't want to deal with a JS. I've never ridden FedEx though so this is all speculation on my part.
 

bbmikej

Well-Known Member
The jumpseat listing people are super helpful. And yes, FedEx will not let you ride on an aircraft without a flight deck door. UPS on the other hand doesn't have this restriction.
 

Mainline_or_bust

Airplanes fly on PFM, Change my mind
The jumpseat listing people are super helpful. And yes, FedEx will not let you ride on an aircraft without a flight deck door. UPS on the other hand doesn't have this restriction.
I wonder if any reciprocal agreements are impacted by this. When 60% of your fleet other Crew and Dispatchers can’t ride on what would happen if the rest of the industry blocked 60% of their own fleet to fedex? I believe that it goes back to that crazed flight engineer that attacked the crew but IMO this is a long lived knee jerk. Curious what the industry thinks, maybe most don’t care because they rarely fly them anyway.
 

QXDX

Well-Known Member
Cargo birds typically don't have cockpit doors. I haven't heard of any restriction in regards to JS on FedEx. Maybe someone confused the JS agreement for their airline?? Or maybe they encountered someone who didn't want to deal with a JS. I've never ridden FedEx though so this is all speculation on my part.
As of late 2015, FedEx didn't allow Dispatchers to occupy a flight deck seat. You could only occupy one of the cabin seats. However, some of their MD-11s had the crew rest bunks installed instead of cabin seats. In that case Dispatchers couldn't ride.

I never rode one of their 767s, but I had heard they didn't have flight deck doors, which effectively made the entire cabin the flight deck. Hence, no Dispatcher jumpstarting on th 767 fleet.
 

Mainline_or_bust

Airplanes fly on PFM, Change my mind
As of late 2015, FedEx didn't allow Dispatchers to occupy a flight deck seat. You could only occupy one of the cabin seats. However, some of their MD-11s had the crew rest bunks installed instead of cabin seats. In that case Dispatchers couldn't ride.

I never rode one of their 767s, but I had heard they didn't have flight deck doors, which effectively made the entire cabin the flight deck. Hence, no Dispatcher jumpstarting on th 767 fleet.
Ah so I gather the limitations are just for Dispatchers then? In that case and for others can FedEx just freaking unionize their dispatch group already!? :bang:
 

QXDX

Well-Known Member
Ah so I gather the limitations are just for Dispatchers then? In that case and for others can FedEx just freaking unionize their dispatch group already!? :bang:
I'll venture a guess that those limitations only apply to offline Dispatch jumpseaters.

But, in probably 30 jumpseating roundtrips, it was never a problem, because you can list 24 hours before the flight. You find out then and there whether or not you can ride. On those few times I was denied, I just made other plans.

I think I was denied maybe three times on that basis.
 

who'swho

Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
As of late 2015, FedEx didn't allow Dispatchers to occupy a flight deck seat. You could only occupy one of the cabin seats. However, some of their MD-11s had the crew rest bunks installed instead of cabin seats. In that case Dispatchers couldn't ride.

I never rode one of their 767s, but I had heard they didn't have flight deck doors, which effectively made the entire cabin the flight deck. Hence, no Dispatcher jumpstarting on th 767 fleet.
I believe all the 76 seats are up front. The cargo 76s I've seen were all configured that way at least.
 

TN-DX

Well-Known Member
Funny enough...I rode on the 767, no cockpit door, about 2 years ago. Maybe the crew didn't care and the jumpseat line had no idea? Plane still had the new car smell to it with virtually no cycles on it. LAS-MEM
 

Mainline_or_bust

Airplanes fly on PFM, Change my mind
Just got off the phone with jumpseat administration. 777 and 767 are the only thing that offline dispatchers cannot ride.
Great, only the two fleets that are the backbone of the operation and more so with every delivery. We shouldn’t have issues in another 35 years when they start to phase them out. I was worried it would be the MD-10s we couldn’t ride, that are dying out faster then a pizza at a weight watchers convention.
 

paincorp

Well-Known Member
Great, only the two fleets that are the backbone of the operation and more so with every delivery. We shouldn’t have issues in another 35 years when they start to phase them out. I was worried it would be the MD-10s we couldn’t ride, that are dying out faster then a pizza at a weight watchers convention.
Still a free ride, so I’ll gladly take what I can get. More than most in this industry get.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Last edited:

4EngineETOPS

Well-Known Member
Still a free ride, so I’ll gladly take what I can get. Ore than most in this industry get.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
100% agree, but will also be joining the #FlightDeckDoorInTheFedex797Freighter club in hopes for widebody jumpseat access in 27 years.
 

GoingTurbo

Well-Known Member
I just rode on FedEx on the 767. Its Captain's discretion. The 767 has 4 jump seats on the flight deck and the Captain checked my ID and certificate and allowed me on. FedEx does only allow domestic trips because of this though, so you can't ride the 767 outside the US because there's no international cockpit jump seating per our friends at the TSA.

I'll attempt to ride each of their fleet type and report back on my experience
 

paincorp

Well-Known Member
I just rode on FedEx on the 767. Its Captain's discretion. The 767 has 4 jump seats on the flight deck and the Captain checked my ID and certificate and allowed me on. FedEx does only allow domestic trips because of this though, so you can't ride the 767 outside the US because there's no international cockpit jump seating per our friends at the TSA.

I'll attempt to ride each of their fleet type and report back on my experience
Not sure how you got it booked. I had FedEx call me back 5 minutes later saying their system rejected it because I was a dispatcher.

Glad to hear there’s some leeway though. This seems like a fairly unknown policy at least outside of the pilot group. Flight ops had no idea when I was asking them about it a few days back.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Top