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In-house Delta Job Fair, October 20/21 2017

Discussion in 'Airline Pilots' started by Derg, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. Rocketman99

    Rocketman99 Frozen Guppy Manipulator

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    'Tis a shame you haven't given SKYROCK a boot from the site as well. Has he/she/zhe/it/whatever ever made any useful contributions?
     
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  2. AAPalmTree

    AAPalmTree Well-Known Member

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    There's a saying around here (that has some negative connotations) "that's the wAAy we've AAlways done it."

    So, YOU'RE the guy we can thank?!?? ;)
     
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  3. mastermags

    mastermags Well-Known Member *giggity*

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    Avoid HIMS if you have a drinking problem? I think he took his own advice.
     
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  4. Richman

    Richman Well-Known Member

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    What makes people nuts, I think, is that there still is a good dose of pure, random luck involved with the process,

    True, we make our own luck to an extent, but not all of it. The fact that there are some things outside our control drives people nuts.

    Throw in a dose of conspiracy theory about the Illuminatti, Shriners, Flat Earthers, Accepted Free Masons, or the plain ole Moose Lodge, and you got fun times.
     
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  5. Acrofox

    Acrofox All fox

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    Exactly this. I'm not even in the same game as the rest of you, and I have no expectation of ever working at a major... and I STILL feel this way on behalf of the other players.

    I'm sick of hearing major airline pilots literally asking "if you don't like X, why aren't you at a major?" or asking me "got your apps in?"

    There's this standing implication that is the embodiment of "privilege": If you are poor, it's because you're lazy, stupid, defective, have a history, or just "don't work hard enough."

    It's the same thing. (and the argument cuts both ways, and I've used it to people complaining about the poor and about not getting an interview during the same trip.)

    -Fox
     
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  6. Skåning

    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    That's basically just a baby boomer republican mentality

    :D
     
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  7. BEEF SUPREME

    BEEF SUPREME Well-Known Member

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    Legit!
     
  8. JetDoc

    JetDoc Delta profit sharing contributor.

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    Perhaps I am just misunderstanding your reply but isn't that same generation who is currently in charge of most mainline HR departments?
     
  9. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Not necessarily.
     
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  10. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    You're at Skywest right? Based on retirements and hiring numbers, I think even with zero contacts and no job fairs or recommendations, you will be at a legacy in 5 yrs or less.

    I don't think a major pilot asking a regional pilot if he has an app in is necessarily a bad question. If anything, who knows what it could lead to.
     
  11. Acrofox

    Acrofox All fox

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    First, I've been hearing that for a few years, and yet most of the captains I fly with—often great guys to fly with—have their apps in as well. I'm 2800 on a 5000+ pilot seniority list, and everyone with time had apps in.

    Second, I'm not sure I can afford to do this for five more years; the pay is leading to an unsalvageable living situation.

    Third, I don't have a degree and have no intention of playing the game, checking the box, etc. So I'm not going anywhere. Probably a good thing, as my lack of degree makes me a clearly inferior aviator, as per @Autothrust Blue.

    The context is the key in this conversation—stay focused.

    -Fox
     
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  12. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    The no degree thing is probably the biggest drawback. As 2800/5000+, can you hold a CA spot? That would def help with the pay situation? Age is another thing, if you're 35 or younger IMO hang in there as best you can. IIRC, you are a writer, you CFIed in the Bay Area, flew up in Alaska in challenging conditions, and then went to Skywest. You offer a lot to potential employers!
     
  13. B767

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    It's not that they say it. It's how they say it. In my usual scenario (I fly with my trip sheet clipped to the yoke clip) they see that I have 5 legs today, 4-5 tomorrow, 3 the next day, and 4 the last day (or something like that). Then they say "wow that's terrible. Guys at my place would blow a gasket flying that much."

    "Yea. It can wear you out. It's not the worst trip though. Pays pretty well."

    "Really? What's it pay?"

    "20 hours."

    "Shoot. 4 days over here pay a minimum of 20 hours and with much less work."

    "Cool."

    "If it's usually like this for you why don't you come work for Legacy X?"

    "I'm trying. I'm trying to leave the regional world. Haven't heard anything yet. I update my app regularly. Done a few job fairs, have some internals, met some nice, helpful, people along they way."

    "Do you have your apps in?"

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    (Apparently a vast majority of the guys I bring along in the jumpseat were hired at a time where literally all they had to do was apply)
     
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  14. Cherokee_Cruiser

    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Ok now that would be annoying! That guy is tone deaf (is that the right word/phrase?)

    Some guys just like to hear themselves. There are legacy airlines with certain fleets (717, MD80, A320) that do 4-5 leg days, and at our shop on the west coast between SFO/LAX/LAS you easily have multi-leg days back-to-back. A guy like that sounds like he's trying to establish his position over yours which he perceives as inferior to him. I've heard one horror story of a mainline UAL guy commuting from a Socal airport to SFO, and the Skywest CRJ had a no-go item that came up last minute. The mainliner told the RJ CA that "on his [insert mainline jet] they can just defer this item and go, can't you guys?" Apparently ended the story with him storming off with a "now you guys are gonna make me miss my checkin!"

    As an ex-RJ guy, I know what you guys do, your schedules, the pay, the competitiveness, I get all that which is why I wouldn't dare say or do any of the above douch-iness. :eek2:
     
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    I'm not saying they're all like that. Just seems that a lot are. Maybe because they're bad experiences I remember them best. I don't know. There are cool ones that will say something along the lines of "hey I understand what you're doing. It sucks. I was there once. Keep plugging away. Sorry I can't offer any help/advice. I wish I could. Honestly, if things were like they are now when I was hired, I'd still be at a regional."

    "No worries man (or woman). Do you want to talk about sports, guns, porn, books, art, computer software, kids, alimony, cars, bikes, motorcycles, jokes, riddles, beer, scotch, layovers, movies, or tv shows?"
     
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  16. Nark

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    Pilots have little to no patience.
    They often lack perspective too.

    Right time right place. Helped me get 3 of my flying jobs.
    Networking helped with 3 others.

    The reality today is: you need a degree to get on with a legacy. Some, it's a hardline requirement, others highly prefer it.

    If you chose not to pursue one, your complaints are falling in deaf ears when you say it's unfair.
     
  17. Acrofox

    Acrofox All fox

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    Almost every conversation seems to go exactly that direction, the exception being the hard-core commuters who zonk as soon as the door is closed. This is not some rarity.
     
  18. Acrofox

    Acrofox All fox

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    Who are you talking to?
     
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    Nark Well-Known Member

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    Toobdrvr State of the Bad-Assed Art

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