In-house Delta Job Fair, October 20/21 2017

Derg

Naval Intelligence, MCRN
Staff member
I expected better from you. Would you care to synthesize a reasonable argument? History has shown this to be true. The association has bred resentment which cannot be undone. These unions have done nothing but abuse the membership. I have single handedly seen this take place on a smaller scale with the machinists and talking to EAL pilots that hate ALPA. That's HATE. Who has the entitlement here? I'd say its the association acting like an 800 # gorilla playing whack a mole.
What in the world does this have to do with ALPA?

Oh crap, it's Festivus. This is the airing of grievances. My bad.
 

statusseeker1

Well-Known Member
I expected better from you. Would you care to synthesize a reasonable argument? History has shown this to be true. The association has bred resentment which cannot be undone. These unions have done nothing but abuse the membership. I have single handedly seen this take place on a smaller scale with the machinists and talking to EAL & TWA pilots that hate ALPA. That's HATE. Who has the entitlement here? I'd say its the association acting like an 800 # gorilla playing whack a mole and surrounded by Bengal tigers. The association does not own them, the company does not own them and neither does the FAA.
I think we found David Shnipes!
 

SKYROCK

F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
I'm going to apply to Norwegian. I could teach.

Even if they don't pick me up for something, ramp, whatever, don't care; I'm going to do my best to see that they don't vote for ALPA representation. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Harnessing this kind of energy is very good in a competitive environment especially where certain pilots have never felt welcome. We could do everything in our power to destroy you.
 
I expected better from you. Would you care to synthesize a reasonable argument? History has shown this to be true. The association has bred resentment which cannot be undone. These unions have done nothing but abuse the membership. I have single handedly seen this take place on a smaller scale with the machinists and talking to EAL & TWA pilots that hate ALPA. That's HATE. Who has the entitlement here? I'd say its the association acting like an 800 # gorilla playing whack a mole and surrounded by Bengal tigers. The association does not own them, the company does not own them and neither does the FAA.
Ok, but ALPA has nothing to do with this. Where are you going with this?
 

SKYROCK

F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
try getting out of ALPA and see what happens. Its got everything to do with it and its not a union.

there are weird men with mustaches in charge of everything; the same weird men with mustaches that were there a long time ago. its racketeering and its fraud and it needs to be brought to justice.
 
try getting out of ALPA and see what happens. Its got everything to do with it and its not a union.
I did. I left an ALPA-regional to go to a non-union LCC/Major. After seeing our pay and working conditions lag severely behind other competitors, the pilot group voted in favor of representation and we voted in ALPA. Even when you join an ALPA airline, you technically don't have to join ALPA. You can elect a non-member status, and then have to pay an agency shop fee. That's fair, after all you are still enjoying the pay and benefits that ALPA negotiated in their contract. But you don't have to be a member.

So once again, what is your point? Where does ALPA and ALPA bashing fit in on a thread about legacy airline job fairs and hiring?
 

SKYROCK

F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
Even when you join an ALPA airline, you technically don't have to join ALPA. You can elect a non-member status, and then have to pay an agency shop fee. That's fair, after all you are still enjoying the pay and benefits that ALPA negotiated in their contract. But you don't have to be a member
that's a lie and you know exactly what I am talking about. the level of deceit is simply amazing here. I have never ever enjoyed ALPA pay and benefits. Lets get that straight away first, I have never 'enjoyed' ALPA pay or benefits; or their two level of safety and training. tell them exactly what happens when you choose not to join.

see, its members entitlement and self righteous indignation that I have detected from the beginning, as the RJ's got bigger and bigger. I cannot, never could, and will not trust this 'association' with something as precious as my life...that's 'my life' and the lives of people around me. As to why its relevant in this thread? Its just that the association needs to understand that they have created a monster. a person can only be told that they are C scale, not worthy, or somehow not deserving so many times before they simply loose it. Especially when the guy handling your case is making you pay a career price for exposing complete incompetence.
 
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Cruise

Well-Known Member
that's a lie and you know exactly what I am talking about. the level of deceit is simply amazing here. I have never ever enjoyed ALPA pay and benefits. Lets get that straight away first, I have never 'enjoyed' ALPA pay or benefits; or their two level of safety and training. tell them exactly what happens when you choose not to join.

see, its members entitlement and self righteous indignation that I have detected from the beginning, as the RJ's got bigger and bigger. I cannot, never could, and will not trust this 'association' with something as precious as my life...that's 'my life' and the lives of people around me. As to why its relevant in this thread? Its just that the association needs to understand that they have created a monster. a person can only be told that they are C scale, not worthy, or somehow not deserving so many times before they simply loose it. Especially when the guy handling your case is making you pay a career price for exposing complete incompetence.

:tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil:
 
A few years ago, I signed up for, and purchased a career fair. It was sold out, and I was #127 (out of 140ish).

So I show up, and expect to wait my turn, as the patient man I am.

I mingle with my current shop's (at the time) HR folks, because I know them well.
One of them asks, who are you here to see? I say "X" and she says, come with me.

Walks me over, and interrupts the VP of flight ops talking to attendee #1 and says, "talk to 'Nark' next, you should hire him."

I was called the next day, and offered an interview. Hired 10 days later.

I feel I've done this before, echoing Dougs advice.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this wasn't the first time Ms. HR at regional, has talked to VP dude. It's like there is a backroom to these types of events that are catered and full bars and socializing happening.
Dat networking tho!
 
that's a lie and you know exactly what I am talking about. the level of deceit is simply amazing here.
What I wrote is not a lie, it's fact. You CAN be a non-member. We sadly have over a dozen at our shop. As long as you pay the agency shop fee which is spelled out in your CBA, you will not be fired from your company. What deceit are you accusing me of, or ALPA of?


I have never ever enjoyed ALPA pay and benefits. Lets get that straight away first, I have never 'enjoyed' ALPA pay or benefits; or their two level of safety and training. tell them exactly what happens when you choose not to join.
Where do you work? ALPA is more the norm than the exception. Among the larger airlines, only Skywest remains non-union. At an airline I'm familiar with, a crew had a tailstrike on landing. I can tell you without ALPA, they would not be employed.

see, its members entitlement and self righteous indignation that I have detected from the beginning, as the RJ's got bigger and bigger. I cannot, never could, and will not trust this 'association' with something as precious as my life...that's 'my life' and the lives of people around me.
Seriously, what are you saying? That some pilots are arrogant ALPA blowhards, and somehow the safety of airplanes or aviation is so dangerous you won't fly? ALPA has done more for safety than any non-union shop out there.

As to why its relevant in this thread? Its just that the association needs to understand that they have created a monster. a person can only be told that they are C scale, not worthy, or somehow not deserving so many times before they simply loose it. Especially when the guy handling your case is making you pay a career price for exposing complete incompetence.
ALPA didn't tell you are C scale or not worthy. That's all management. It seems from your posts that you have blurred the lines between ALPA and management. Most nearly all your woes here sound like management problems.

Your last sentence is perhaps most telling of your story, can you share that? It sounds like someone you complained about came back to haunt you/repercussions in some way.
 
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