Furlough Estimates

QXDX

Well-Known Member
This morning I discovered that a tracing API file was uploaded to my phone, courtesy of the Google. In a nutshell it is supposed to alert you when you have been in the vicinity of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. Things like that are what is contributing to and building the mass hysteria surrounding COVID-19. It's a virus that something like 99% of people recover from, without hospitalization. Yet the general perception seems to be if you don't stay home, wear a mask, and socially distance, you're marked for death. This perception is what is causing people to, among other things not travel.

There is so much confusing, inaccurate and (in some cases, deliberately) misleading information out there that it is causing would be travelers to literally cower in fear. May I respectfully suggest that, instead of spending 99 pages talking about who is going to get furloughed and when, it might be more productive to encourage our respective professional groups to advocate for air travel. They have the resources and manpower to cut through the noise and get the real information out there.
 

Yakob

Grand Prognosticator Nominee
Whoa dude. You call Texas middle America or anything other than Texas you’re fixin’ for a throw down.
Seems especially weird to call Texas "middle America" considering it's on the south edge of the country rather than near the middle.
 

roundout

Bus Driver
This morning I discovered that a tracing API file was uploaded to my phone, courtesy of the Google. In a nutshell it is supposed to alert you when you have been in the vicinity of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. Things like that are what is contributing to and building the mass hysteria surrounding COVID-19. It's a virus that something like 99% of people recover from, without hospitalization. Yet the general perception seems to be if you don't stay home, wear a mask, and socially distance, you're marked for death. This perception is what is causing people to, among other things not travel.

There is so much confusing, inaccurate and (in some cases, deliberately) misleading information out there that it is causing would be travelers to literally cower in fear. May I respectfully suggest that, instead of spending 99 pages talking about who is going to get furloughed and when, it might be more productive to encourage our respective professional groups to advocate for air travel. They have the resources and manpower to cut through the noise and get the real information out there.
Let's forget about both of our levels of education in infectious diseases and epidemiology and cut to a self-centered chase. If taking people's temperatures, wearing masks, and having beaucoup hand sanitizer available in the airport would make travelers feel safe, thereby saving even one single job at one airline (not just pilots jobs, mind you), why on Earth would we encourage people to do anything other than happily and proudly wear masks? Why would you encourage people to "get the real information" if masking up makes people feel confident enough to fly?
 

JordanD

Honorary Member
Let's forget about both of our levels of education in infectious diseases and epidemiology and cut to a self-centered chase. If taking people's temperatures, wearing masks, and having beaucoup hand sanitizer available in the airport would make travelers feel safe, thereby saving even one single job at one airline (not just pilots jobs, mind you), why on Earth would we encourage people to do anything other than happily and proudly wear masks? Why would you encourage people to "get the real information" if masking up makes people feel confident enough to fly?
Because it’s mildly uncomfortable a little bit.
 

SlumTodd_Millionaire

Evil Landlord Capitalist
Let's forget about both of our levels of education in infectious diseases and epidemiology and cut to a self-centered chase. If taking people's temperatures, wearing masks, and having beaucoup hand sanitizer available in the airport would make travelers feel safe, thereby saving even one single job at one airline (not just pilots jobs, mind you), why on Earth would we encourage people to do anything other than happily and proudly wear masks? Why would you encourage people to "get the real information" if masking up makes people feel confident enough to fly?
You're making an assumption that I don't think can be safely made. You assume that more people would travel if they "felt safe." I'm not sure that this is correct. I'm not traveling until the mask requirement gets lifted, because I can't feel comfortable wearing a mask for hours at a time. I know I'm not alone in that. It is entirely a matter of guesswork right now as to which will result in more people deferring travel.
 

roundout

Bus Driver
You're making an assumption that I don't think can be safely made. You assume that more people would travel if they "felt safe." I'm not sure that this is correct. I'm not traveling until the mask requirement gets lifted, because I can't feel comfortable wearing a mask for hours at a time. I know I'm not alone in that. It is entirely a matter of guesswork right now as to which will result in more people deferring travel.
Note the word "if" in what I wrote. I don't get to choose what makes people comfortable or uncomfortable. All I'm saying is that if the efforts we're undertaking now (heavy, frequent cleaning, employees wearing masks, temperature checks, etc.) help even a little bit, we should be 100% behind the efforts.
 

QXDX

Well-Known Member
Let's forget about both of our levels of education in infectious diseases and epidemiology and cut to a self-centered chase. If taking people's temperatures, wearing masks, and having beaucoup hand sanitizer available in the airport would make travelers feel safe, thereby saving even one single job at one airline (not just pilots jobs, mind you), why on Earth would we encourage people to do anything other than happily and proudly wear masks? Why would you encourage people to "get the real information" if masking up makes people feel confident enough to fly?
What I'm saying is that COVID-19 is something that the vast majority recover from, usually within a few days. Yet the perception persists you're marked for death if you contract it. Part of this is due to the different information put out there by the conflicting sources. It doesn't help that different airlines are doing different mitigations.

All I'm saying is that the airline industry needs to be speaking and acting with a unified voice with the most accurate information if they want the best chance of surviving and recovering from this.
 

Comair 100ER

Well-Known Member
Let's forget about both of our levels of education in infectious diseases and epidemiology and cut to a self-centered chase. If taking people's temperatures, wearing masks, and having beaucoup hand sanitizer available in the airport would make travelers feel safe, thereby saving even one single job at one airline (not just pilots jobs, mind you), why on Earth would we encourage people to do anything other than happily and proudly wear masks? Why would you encourage people to "get the real information" if masking up makes people feel confident enough to fly?
Cuz it infringes upon mah rights!!!
 

DenverPilot8

Well-Known Member
This morning I discovered that a tracing API file was uploaded to my phone, courtesy of the Google. In a nutshell it is supposed to alert you when you have been in the vicinity of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. Things like that are what is contributing to and building the mass hysteria surrounding COVID-19. It's a virus that something like 99% of people recover from, without hospitalization. Yet the general perception seems to be if you don't stay home, wear a mask, and socially distance, you're marked for death. This perception is what is causing people to, among other things not travel.

There is so much confusing, inaccurate and (in some cases, deliberately) misleading information out there that it is causing would be travelers to literally cower in fear. May I respectfully suggest that, instead of spending 99 pages talking about who is going to get furloughed and when, it might be more productive to encourage our respective professional groups to advocate for air travel. They have the resources and manpower to cut through the noise and get the real information out there.
Yes there sure is and your post is one of them. You are conflating death rate, hospitalization rate, and infection rate. All mean very different things but all related. This idea that if you follow social distancing or wear a mask equates to "cowering in fear" is ridiculous. I wont even bother typing out the arguments because they have been debated ad-nauseam. If we decide as a sociatey and country that opening up for the economy is the right move then I'm ok with that as I do think there is certainly a death rate associated with a depression level economy. With that said Its pretty tireing hearing pilots talk about how its entirely fear based and that doing anything other than opening is just cowering. It's such a simple minded take on such a complicated problem.
 

Cherokee_Cruiser

Well-Known Member
Cuz it infringes upon mah rights!!!
You’re not winning anybody over when the battle cry admits that 99.9% of younger people will live after getting mild to moderate symptoms, and all we are really doing is trying to spare the elderly folks because they are the ones predominantly dying. And then you consider most dying were within ~5 yrs of the natural lifespan, attacking the younger folks is only going to wear their patience thin before they just say eff it. Turning a fight against the virus has not only become politicized, the govt has destroyed the economic well being of the younger ones. And now with no jobs and economic means destroyed, people are ridiculing these younger groups and taking a holier than thou attitude against them. It’s going to back fire.

I wear a mask when I go out. However, anything more than 2 hrs breathing is hard. The cloth starts to move in and out with nostril breathing. Then I find myself touching the mask to adjust it. That isn’t safe either because inevitable you’ll touch your eye or near it. The 4.5 hr flight from LA to DTW was tough having the mask in the whole flight. But I did it, the flight was packed full.


Here in Michigan where I am now, restaurants are open, and I’d say about 80% are not wearing masks. If it wasn’t for those ~20% wearing a mask, I can’t even tell there’s a viral pandemic here.
 

AAPalmTree

Well-Known Member
Let's forget about both of our levels of education in infectious diseases and epidemiology and cut to a self-centered chase. If taking people's temperatures, wearing masks, and having beaucoup hand sanitizer available in the airport would make travelers feel safe, thereby saving even one single job at one airline (not just pilots jobs, mind you), why on Earth would we encourage people to do anything other than happily and proudly wear masks? Why would you encourage people to "get the real information" if masking up makes people feel confident enough to fly?
People would be confident to fly if masks, hand sanitizers etc were not in their face.

N95 will protect you but not others.
Surgical will protect others but not you.

See any issues?
 

SteveC

Really?
Staff member
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Here in Michigan where I am now, restaurants are open, and I’d say about 80% are not wearing masks. If it wasn’t for those ~20% wearing a mask, I can’t even tell there’s a viral pandemic here.
People wear the mask (most do, anyway) while moving through the facility. They come off when seated at your socially distanced table.
 

amichael

Well-Known Member
Has a major airline ever filed for bankruptcy without pilots on furlough?

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