Flamingo Avionics course no A&P?

Opsflunkie

Active Member
Hello all noticed flamingo air is offering a course to recieve an avionics certification. Is this really worth anything without an a&p?
 

knot4u

Repeat Offender
I hate advertisements that promise their program will make anyone an expert in any field. If you spend a couple of years going to school full time you can get an A/P, but upon graduation you basically know almost nothing other than theory. It's merely the ticket to get your foot in the door and start really learning.
 

Opsflunkie

Active Member
Right I couldnt agree more however would these even get your foot in the door as a avionics tech without having the a&p?
 

knot4u

Repeat Offender
Right I couldnt agree more however would these even get your foot in the door as a avionics tech without having the a&p?
Maybe? If you want to work avionics I suggest you start looking at hiring requirements for avionics techs with companies like Duncan Aviation. Look at the entry level positions and compare them to your resume. Regardless of what your ultimate goal in aviation is there will always be an experience requirement, it takes motivation to crack that nut. In other words, there is no easy way.
 

Roger Roger

Paid to sleep, fly for fun
What’s the end goal and where are you starting from? It might get you in the door at a repair station (no A&P required) but only if you have some relevant previous experience (military aircraft mx, or electronics work in another field).
 

knot4u

Repeat Offender
I'd love to do the GROL but am not eligible.

Becoming an A&P Mechanic | FCC License | GROL | American Airman NY

ERAU's AMNT 265 fulfills the academic side of it.
Why would you not be eligible? The GROL has never been mentioned in any job ad or interview I've ever seen or attended. That school is for military people trying to take advantage of their service and take advantage of having someone sign them off as eligible to take the test for the A/P, or people with a Repairman Certificate that want to solidify their experience with an FAA certificate. It's a test prep course.
 

ahw01

Well-Known Member
Why would you not be eligible? The GROL has never been mentioned in any job ad or interview I've ever seen or attended. That school is for military people trying to take advantage of their service and take advantage of having someone sign them off as eligible to take the test for the A/P, or people with a Repairman Certificate that want to solidify their experience with an FAA certificate. It's a test prep course.
It's the legal resident of the US thing, being over in the land of crumpets and tea...

Other than that I'm well up for learning about polar co-ordinates etc etc
 
Back in the days when Jesus was an Airmen Recruit, I managed to get into UAL just on my USAF experience. That was in the back shops. I eventually got my GROL and A&P. You can still work at some Part 145 Repair Stations that way. Most Airlines want to see both GROL and A&P. If you stay 3 years at a 145 shop, you can qualify to "Challenge" the A&P exams. That will require 3 years of documented detailed (by ATA Chapter) maintenance experience and a letter from your supervisor. You take all that to your local FSDO "friendly" :sarcasm: inspector for an endorsement to challenge the exams. Be prepared for a rigorous interview. After that there are schools out there that have a DME (not the navaid) to give you the test. I went to Federal Exams in OKC. The DX is worth getting. But Flamingo seems to be offering to spoon feed you the test. A dispatcher is Flight Op's version of a maintenance controller. In fact, Dispatchers effectively run the airline. However, it is also a tremendous liability. If you mess up, you will be getting the dreaded 0200 phone call from the FAA and NTSB if a bird goes down. Unless you have a lot of intimate knowledge of Flight Operations I would recommend going to a school that teaches you the actual material. I didn't even think of trying for my DX until I had a lot of time teaching heavy jet Ground School AND also having my FEX (Flight Engineer-Turbojet). It still burned up a lot of my brain cells. The DX written is actually the ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) written. I still missed it by one bloody question. Good luck
 

Low&Slow

Ancora imparo
I interviewed with the FAA maintenance inspector at the FSDO and he signed the FAA Form 8610-2 for authorization to take the Airframe and Powerplant exams I brought with me. He was actually a really friendly guy and the interview went better than I expected.
Don't let other people's horror stories scare you off or discourage you. It's an easy process that the 8610-2 will walk you through when you fill it out. You can also call or email the FSDO if you need help or have questions.
The 8610-2 interview is just an interview to ensure that you are qualified to take the Airframe and/or Powerplant exams, it's not a checkride, there isn't a pass/fail.
 

Low&Slow

Ancora imparo
Never listen to those who tell you what you can't do.
They told Beethoven he'd never make music because he was deaf, but he didn't listen to them.
 
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