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F/A-18E v. Su-22

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by tomokc, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. BigZ

    BigZ Well-Known Member

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    This argument cannot be applied selectively. Either that's the case, or it's not. If that's the case, look another way and Donbass seps will go west to the nearest big river, establish a land bridge to Crimea and Transdniestr and tada.
    If that's not cool, then whatever happens in Syria isn't cool either.
    U.N. is not a factor - US doesn't give rats ass about the U.N. when it doesn't approve of whatever it is that US wants at the time, so no reason to wave that flag at othat times.
    On the grand scheme of things it really is whatevs, we can support or not support certain geopolitical events, but it's not like that's gonna change them.
     
  2. Lawman

    Lawman Well-Known Member

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    Seriously?

    There has been an active civil war in that country for the better part of a decade. Look at this map, it's a little dated but it explains the situation pretty well....
    [​IMG] That area in Grey, that's the part of Syria that isn't under any form of Syrian control. Assad can't drive tanks through there much less call it his country.

    That river valley that runs from Raqqa to Al Quim, thats the Euphrates. That's all ISIS villages and the "caliphate." I'm not talking regions not in Syrian control I'm talking regions directly governed by ISIS, like they collect taxes and made policy in those cities. Prior to the coalition campaign starting in 2014 that region went all the way to Al Taqqadum in Iraq which is only 1 town West (20 miles) of Baghdad.

    We are finally with this new administration actively killing the people that have made Syria, not Syria. It's not good enough to establish the border of Iraq/Syria and let them just keep that whole chunk of Syria they own. ISIS is the separatist group in this case not the Kurds. The Kurds just understand that killing ISIS in Raqqa is in their best interest now while they have US support which they lacked and paid for in blood to fight for that green swath up north that is their territory.
     
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  3. MikeD

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    Hell, the Turks have been doing that ever since Operation Provide Comfort, post Desert Storm, which later became Northern Watch......as the Kurds were getting little comfort provided to them from the Turks bombing them often there in northern Iraq.
     
  4. Kingairer

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    What,is,Allepo?:ooh:
     
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  5. MikeD

    MikeD Administrator Staff Member

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    Loss to the MiG-25 in 1991....first war.

    Catching up to the USN Tomcat kill ratio:

    2 x Libyan SU-22s
    2 x Libyan MiG-23s
    1 x Iraq Mi-8
    1 x USAF RF-4C

    IIAF/IRIAF Tomcats also have kills.
     
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  6. Lawman

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    A single statement which completely captured ~95% of the electorates understanding of what's going on in the region.


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  7. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Yo Syria! Yo jet be like:
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    That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy.
     
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  9. Lawman

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    If we are counting incidents like that, technically the Hornet should include an E-2 Hawkeye on its kill count.


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  10. BigZ

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    Let's go back to the "selective use"

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    And so forth

    Maps only matter when they support a certain point of view
     
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    Good to know my old SMP and SCU's were put to good use :)
     
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  12. Seggy

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    Really? I mean really? What an extremely immature statement to make.
     
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    The Fez Aftplay Advocate

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    I often ask my crew, upon passing some TurAF F-16's on our way home, "I wonder how much of what we just supported that they're about to undo?" :ooh:
     
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    Trump or Putin? I don't think either has mowed many lawns...:biggrin:
     
  17. Lawman

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    I didn't see anyone say that. What world are you in?
     
  19. Lawman

    Lawman Well-Known Member

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    The Russians invade Ukraine prior to the selective division of control of that country.

    We and the rest of the international community watched Syria lose control of its government allowing a free area for the growth of ISIS as a Caliphate years before we actually got involved..

    Syria has no control over half of their country through their own action, not the invasion of a foreign power. And the US has stated there is no desire by it or the rest of the coalition to see that use of military force turn into a permanent occupation.

    If you can't understand the difference I can't help you,
     
  20. milleR

    milleR Well-Known Member

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    Trump is the Ralph Wiggum to Putin's Mr. Burns when it come's to political machinations.
     
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