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DHS hacks 757 from gate

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by av8tr1, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. NovemberEcho

    NovemberEcho Well-Known Member

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  2. mshunter

    mshunter Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree. My argument is for why the f would you want to take the pilot out of the loop of that?
     
  3. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Umm, watch a little too much "Die Hard" on reserve days? :)
     
  4. mshunter

    mshunter Well-Known Member

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    See the post above yours. I'm not talking about today's fleet. I'm talking about all the "pilot-less errplane" people.
     
  5. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Eh, I don't think any airplanes we have *presently* will be autonomous but it's certainly an inevitability on some levels.

    I test drove a Tesla Model S and played with the "autopilot" and watched how it works and I'm thoroughly convinced airplanes aren't that far around the corner, pardon the pun.
     
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  6. ppragman

    ppragman Direct BOOKE

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    This.

    I don't think it will be "better" when pilots are gone, quite the contrary, but when the beancounters do the math, and it's cheaper to buy the Tesla Model Q "Flying Bus" then to staff a CRJ...well, then our days are numbered.
     
  7. ClarkGriswold

    ClarkGriswold Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer

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    Damnit! I was reading through this hoping no one would talk about Windsor 114. RIP



    I love me some tinfoil hat conspiracies but holy crap, some of you guys...
     
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  8. gotWXdagain

    gotWXdagain Highly Visible Member

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    Or tie up the CPU to capacity with meaningless fake “tasks” so it has no room to process important aviation stuff, much in the same way a DDoS attack affects a web server. At that point it really only depends on how modular the avionics in your given airplane are, what your new capabilities would be. An MD-80/90? Probably inconvenienced. Any flight deck running everything through a single CPU would be pretty boned, like your screens go away and your fly-by-wire takes a hike boned.
     
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    ATN_Pilot Socialist Pig Member

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    There's no such thing as a flight deck run through a single CPU. Even Airbus ain't that stupid.
     
  10. gotWXdagain

    gotWXdagain Highly Visible Member

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    That’s good to know, though I suspect an Airbus is a little more susceptible to a computer hack than a simple switch to a different navaid and autopilot mode.
     
  11. Roger Roger

    Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun

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    How many a y’all know anything about FMS/GPS/AFCS/FBW beyond which button to press to get your banana? I don’t, really, but you all sound like typical pilots talking about aircraft systems you don’t understand, or worse, understand just well enough to think you understand them.
     
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  12. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Correct. We probably had more computers than a suburban Besf Buy has on display.

    There is no single computer running everything. That would be hugely idiotic.
     
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    ATN_Pilot Socialist Pig Member

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    Airbii are mostly still 1980s technology. You're as likely to hack an Airbus through wifi as you are to hack my toaster.
     
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    knot4u Repeat Offender

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    In my experience all of the systems have their own "boxes" and there is almost always two of them in case one fails. The only thing that allows them to communicate is a data bus, either ASCB or ARINC 429, and they are important enough that there are normally at least three bus controllers. As long as nothing wifi related is tied into those buses I don't think there's much of a threat.
     
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  15. ian

    ian Well-Known Member

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    they hacked into FWV.....somehow they were able to get a connection with it.
     
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  16. ian

    ian Well-Known Member

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    how dare you, we have GPS on all of them.
     
  17. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Good!

    Hopefully all Pegasus now?
     
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    Everything I’ve dealt with (nothing compared to most here) has been “enter GPS data so IRUs can verify they’re right.”

    Weez got GPS. Flying ONT/PSP- IAH passing white sands “GPS jamming in progress” Coo. Who gives a ****
     
  19. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Wait, you use IRU data to verify GPS positioning? Do tell! :)
     
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    [​IMG]

    This is the avionics diagram for a Sovereign. 4 separate MAUs that have independent inputs from different systems. The MAUs all talk to each other and any hanky panky causes MAU fault CAS messages.

    I imagine, short of MDs and classic 737s, most airliners are significantly more complicated.


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