DHS hacks 757 from gate

mshunter

Well-Known Member
#62
Follow that line of thought. The FMS gets hacked. What can the hacker make it do? Change the magenta line? Easy fix for any hacked FMS

Autopilot-OFF
Autothrottles-OFF
PFD- Select manual VOR rose. Manually tune VORs.
Notify ATC of degraded NAV function.
Put down coffee/suduku and do pilot stuff.
I totally agree. My argument is for why the f would you want to take the pilot out of the loop of that?
 

Derg

Naval Intelligence, MCRN
Staff member
#65
Eh, I don't think any airplanes we have *presently* will be autonomous but it's certainly an inevitability on some levels.

I test drove a Tesla Model S and played with the "autopilot" and watched how it works and I'm thoroughly convinced airplanes aren't that far around the corner, pardon the pun.
 

ppragman

Direct Yeska
#66
Eh, I don't think any airplanes we have *presently* will be autonomous but it's certainly an inevitability on some levels.

I test drove a Tesla Model S and played with the "autopilot" and watched how it works and I'm thoroughly convinced airplanes aren't that far around the corner, pardon the pun.
This.

I don't think it will be "better" when pilots are gone, quite the contrary, but when the beancounters do the math, and it's cheaper to buy the Tesla Model Q "Flying Bus" then to staff a CRJ...well, then our days are numbered.
 

gotWXdagain

Highly Visible Member
#68
Follow that line of thought. The FMS gets hacked. What can the hacker make it do? Change the magenta line? Easy fix for any hacked FMS

Autopilot-OFF
Autothrottles-OFF
PFD- Select manual VOR rose. Manually tune VORs.
Notify ATC of degraded NAV function.
Put down coffee/suduku and do pilot stuff.
Or tie up the CPU to capacity with meaningless fake “tasks” so it has no room to process important aviation stuff, much in the same way a DDoS attack affects a web server. At that point it really only depends on how modular the avionics in your given airplane are, what your new capabilities would be. An MD-80/90? Probably inconvenienced. Any flight deck running everything through a single CPU would be pretty boned, like your screens go away and your fly-by-wire takes a hike boned.
 

Roger Roger

Paid to sleep, fly for fun
#71
How many a y’all know anything about FMS/GPS/AFCS/FBW beyond which button to press to get your banana? I don’t, really, but you all sound like typical pilots talking about aircraft systems you don’t understand, or worse, understand just well enough to think you understand them.
 

ATN_Pilot

Socialist Pig Member
#73
That’s good to know, though I suspect an Airbus is a little more susceptible to a computer hack than a simple switch to a different navaid and autopilot mode.
Airbii are mostly still 1980s technology. You're as likely to hack an Airbus through wifi as you are to hack my toaster.
 

knot4u

Repeat Offender
#74
In my experience all of the systems have their own "boxes" and there is almost always two of them in case one fails. The only thing that allows them to communicate is a data bus, either ASCB or ARINC 429, and they are important enough that there are normally at least three bus controllers. As long as nothing wifi related is tied into those buses I don't think there's much of a threat.
 
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ian

Well-Known Member
#75
Well, considering the three airplanes I’ve flown with GoGo WiFi on them, (MD88, 737, 757/767,) have NO essential systems that link to the WiFi, I’d be curious as to what was actually accomplished.
they hacked into FWV.....somehow they were able to get a connection with it.
 

ian

Well-Known Member
#76
Whiiiiiiiich is why many systems run off IRU's and only generally use GPS for reference data. You could totally go "Gravity" on the satellite spectrum and the Airbus would put down it's coffee and say "Monsieur, your NAV performance has degraded somewhat" but it's not about to fall out of the sky or end up in the side of a mountain. I'm not even sure the entire 757/767 fleet even has GPS.

On the Bus to go GPS-primary NAV you've got to deselect a lot of stuff in the MCDU to make it happen. 757/767 wouldn't even care. I don't thnk I've flown any aircraft that would disregard IRU data and go following a rogue GPS position.
how dare you, we have GPS on all of them.
 

B767

Well-Known Member
#78
Everything I’ve dealt with (nothing compared to most here) has been “enter GPS data so IRUs can verify they’re right.”

Weez got GPS. Flying ONT/PSP- IAH passing white sands “GPS jamming in progress” Coo. Who gives a ****
 

Dugie8

Well-Known Member
#80


This is the avionics diagram for a Sovereign. 4 separate MAUs that have independent inputs from different systems. The MAUs all talk to each other and any hanky panky causes MAU fault CAS messages.

I imagine, short of MDs and classic 737s, most airliners are significantly more complicated.


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