Delta and ASA

#84
That is because the flight deck of a 737 is smaller than a 145...
I've jumpseated on 737s, Delta has one JS and I've taken that many times. I've once been on a SWA 737-700 which had 2 jumpseats from MDW-EWR and I was in the 2nd JS, the one behind the CA. All 4 of us made it work. The CA was based at MDW but commuted from MSP. He made sure both of us got on, even in the jumpseats.

That's how it should be. It's a legal seat so use it.

You want your safe space, go bid widebodies. :biggrin:
 
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#85
Someone riddle me this, XJ/9E/9L merged and got a joined contract and for better or for worse a SLI. So when the XJ and 9L props were all parked, pilots bid across.

How was Skywest, ASA, and ExpressJet not merged? Why no JCBA, and why no SLI?
 

MikeD

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#86
I've jumpseated on 737s, Delta has one JS and I've taken that many times. I've once been on a SWA 737-700 which had 2 jumpseats from MDW-EWR and I was in the 2nd JS, the one behind the CA. All 4 of us made it work. The CA was based at MDW but commuted from MSP. He made sure both of us got on, even in the jumpseats.

That's how it should be. It's a legal seat so use it.
Long ago, I was JSing on a SWA -200, both JSs were taken, and luckily i got sent to the back to take a seat, where about 6 other JSers were. UAL, however, seemed to only take an many JSers as there were JSs on the particular airframe.
 
#87
Long ago, I was JSing on a SWA -200, both JSs were taken, and luckily i got sent to the back to take a seat, where about 6 other JSers were. UAL, however, seemed to only take an many JSers as there were JSs on the particular airframe.
Yeah, luckily almost all airlines now have adopted an unlimited jumpseater policy. Eg, open seat in cabin or FD jumpseat.
 

Finny

Well-Known Member
#88
Someone riddle me this, XJ/9E/9L merged and got a joined contract and for better or for worse a SLI. So when the XJ and 9L props were all parked, pilots bid across.

How was Skywest, ASA, and ExpressJet not merged? Why no JCBA, and why no SLI?
Because SkyWest pilot's do not want union representation. Kinda hard to have a JCBA with half the group not having a CBA in the first place...
 
#89
1. Are you talking about ASA pilots who came to PSA and now regret their decision?

2. Any inkling as to why FO's bypassing upgrade?

Thanks
1) Not specifically ASA pilots, just the DECs in general. Many jumped over from Endeavor when things weren't looking good there. And to their credit at the time it looked like a great move. Others jumped ship from Envoy, TSA, etc.

2) Last I heard there were almost 150 eligible FOs bypassing company-wide at PSA. The pay difference between a line-holding FO who can take advantage of the SAP, work the contract and make extra money, and still have any day they want off compared to a reserve CA with no schedule flexibility and only 11 days off /month is pretty negligible and in some cases would be a pay cut.

I'm off usually anywhere from 16-19 days /month and I'm still usually able to credit about 65-80 hours on an average month. Add in the annual $10,000 retention bonus I'm getting and the pay difference versus the quality of life hit I would take makes very little sense in our current hiring environment. There are a few other personal (family events) reasons I'm bypassing but truthfully the lack of pay incentive combined with the hit to my quality of life are the main factors.
 

learhawkerbe400

Well-Known Member
#90
1) Not specifically ASA pilots, just the DECs in general. Many jumped over from Endeavor when things weren't looking good there. And to their credit at the time it looked like a great move. Others jumped ship from Envoy, TSA, etc.

2) Last I heard there were almost 150 eligible FOs bypassing company-wide at PSA. The pay difference between a line-holding FO who can take advantage of the SAP, work the contract and make extra money, and still have any day they want off compared to a reserve CA with no schedule flexibility and only 11 days off /month is pretty negligible and in some cases would be a pay cut.

I'm off usually anywhere from 16-19 days /month and I'm still usually able to credit about 65-80 hours on an average month. Add in the annual $10,000 retention bonus I'm getting and the pay difference versus the quality of life hit I would take makes very little sense in our current hiring environment. There are a few other personal (family events) reasons I'm bypassing but truthfully the lack of pay incentive combined with the hit to my quality of life are the main factors.
All true but the point of a regional is to be a stepping stone to a major. Upgrading and getting 121 PIC *typically* makes that happen faster.

I'd wait to get comfortable and picky until I was at a career job.
 
#91
Because SkyWest pilot's do not want union representation. Kinda hard to have a JCBA with half the group not having a CBA in the first place...
But again, why?

I know VX we voted in ALPA. But say we didn't have ALPA. Does that mean Alaska would just keep us separate and operate both airlines independently?

Why wouldn't they at least Airtran us? (sadly using Airtran as a verb)
 

Cptnchia

Dissatisfied Customer
#92
SKW management wanted to merge XJT and ASA together, and then whipsaw the union side against the non union side. XJT and ASA pilots could just never agree on anything. Management finally gave up and this is their unwinding of the merger. Make no mistake, the ERJ side of XJT isn't any safer. It's just a matter of time before it's their turn in the barrel.
 
#93
SKW management wanted to merge XJT and ASA together, and then whipsaw the union side against the non union side. XJT and ASA pilots could just never agree on anything. Management finally gave up and this is their unwinding of the merger. Make no mistake, the ERJ side of XJT isn't any safer. It's just a matter of time before it's their turn in the barrel.
Wait, so these are 3 separate airlines with 3 separate operating certificates? No one merged whatsoever?
 
#94
All true but the point of a regional is to be a stepping stone to a major. Upgrading and getting 121 PIC *typically* makes that happen faster.

I'd wait to get comfortable and picky until I was at a career job.
I would normally agree. But truthfully I see just as many FOs getting hired as I do CAs and LCAs. And if flow is your thing then upgrading to CA doesn't change that one bit. A regional is a stepping stone but I make money outside of flying and without the time off and the flexibility I have now then it just doesn't work for me. I know I'm "rolling to dice" to a certain extent but that is a risk I'm willing to take right now.
 

mshunter

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