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Delta and ASA

Beefy McGee

Well-Known Member
#61
I had a job as a street captain at PSA because they were going to get all of Eagle's CRJs. They ended up jerking me around so I didn't take it. They ended up not getting all of those planes so last I checked with someone who was in the same class I was going to be in, I'd still be on reserve in DAY and I would have been in training there when my interview at Air Beachball came around.
For what it's worth, those planes are still coming, but slowly. One a month.

Interesting. Everyone I know that left ASA for PSA has upgraded. Some are even now Line Check Airman.
There is a former ASA guy in my upgrade class right now. The lateral move has worked for him.
 

DeltaASA16

Well-Known Member
#62
This is true. But I know many of those who came to PSA as DECs regret their decision. And the company may be looking at DECs again soon apparently because we have so many eligible FOs bypassing upgrade. I don't know that they will find as many that are willing this time around.
1. Are you talking about ASA pilots who came to PSA and now regret their decision?

2. Any inkling as to why FO's bypassing upgrade?

Thanks
 

mshunter

Well-Known Member
#63
Still have a lot of good friends there.

Important to note, not everyone's right answer is the same. Mine was certainly different than the next guys. I made a lateral move, because I saw this coming, and wanted to be at the front of the pack. Some just couldn't make the move without being forced into it. I was lucky, and could.

Good luck folks. There is a lot of support out there. Get your apps in everywhere, even if it's at another regional. Keeping flying right now is more important than it has been in the past if you want to stack major cheddar.


Even before the strike, Delta had 4 regionals.
ASA
Business Express
Comair
Skywest

Each one operated out of its respective hub and only sometimes crossed paths at an outstation. After the strike, they started to dilute the flying, so they would never be held hostage again, and that started the whipsaw.
That "held hostage" phrase works both ways.
 
#64
1. Are you talking about ASA pilots who came to PSA and now regret their decision?

2. Any inkling as to why FO's bypassing upgrade?

Thanks
There's about 100 or more FO's bypassing upgrade waiting to either hold the base they currently are at or until they can hold a line and SAP (schedule adjustment period - 24 hr period where round one lineholders can pretty much rearrange their schedule as they please as long as they have at min 65 hrs).

The difference in pay isn't enough for some FOs to make the jump.
 
#65
Apparently shots have been fired.

A SKY jumpseater trying to get from AVL-ATL was denied by an ASA CA. Asked him how long he'd been with SKY and then said (paraphrasing here) "well I guess you can find your own way to Atlanta today".
 

DeltaASA16

Well-Known Member
#66
There's about 100 or more FO's bypassing upgrade waiting to either hold the base they currently are at or until they can hold a line and SAP (schedule adjustment period - 24 hr period where round one lineholders can pretty much rearrange their schedule as they please as long as they have at min 65 hrs).

The difference in pay isn't enough for some FOs to make the jump.
Thanks for the answers CU. Yah, with the luxury of seniority and a growing list behind you, why not wait a few months and allow the desperate folks to fill in behind you and take the junk schedules. As they say, in this game, seniority is everything.

And as for the ASA CA denying a jumpseater. Dang. *goes to pop some popcorn*
 

JordanD

Honorary Member
#71
There are several CAs at a large 737 operation that will only take 1 JSer and refuse the 2nd one because it's too tight :rolleyes:

Most of those CAs live in base.
Not really the same situation as pilots denying pilots the JS because they're mad about a management decision the pilots had nothing to do with.
 

Derg

Naval Intelligence, MCRN
Staff member
#72
I'm sure there's laughter in a lot of boardrooms whenever pilots take out their frustrations on other pilots.
There is.

We're largely Type A control freaks. Companies do what companies are going to do with coldly little but usually zero regard for pilots because we're just a cog in a big contraption.

It'd be like me getting booted off the jumpseat for DL's decision to cut bait with Expressjet. I woke up to the news like everyone else and I assure you, if I called Atlanta to bemoan the decision to 86 ExpressJet but at best I'd get s voicemail box.
 

Inverted

“Everything has a little suck in it”
#75
Apparently shots have been fired.

A SKY jumpseater trying to get from AVL-ATL was denied by an ASA CA. Asked him how long he'd been with SKY and then said (paraphrasing here) "well I guess you can find your own way to Atlanta today".
Get his name, I would be happy to return the favor to that SKW CA for his company taking some of our mainline routes.

Of course I am kidding, merely just pointing out the irony. Just another example of how management brainwashes the worker bees, and then turns the worker bees against each other.

The irony on top of irony is a Skywest pilot getting mad at an ASA pilot because ASA management took the flying Skywest was promised if they approved their latest agreement. It is so good to see the bowl still swirl in 2017.
 
#78
I wouldn’t piss on Skywest management if they were on fire, but very few pilots grew up saying “I want to work at a company that undercuts the rest of the industry.”

We all went to work with whoever hired us, for better or worse.

That and I’d love to hear 51% of those guys justify their 1% pay raise so they can get the -900s that Endeavor just was assigned.
 

Ajax

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#80
SkyWest Inc destroyed tow great regionals. SkyWest Inc owns SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet (LXJT and LASA). The SkyWest pilots did nothing to cause this, they don't deserve the treatment, it was a management decision.