DC FRZ

moxiepilot

Well-Known Member
Hey Potomac controller, I had to work in the FRZ this morning and appreciate your help and flexibility in coordination for the time I needed to do my job for the USDA.

Yes it's a headache, but in your taking time to work with us in getting this done, we shouldn't need to come back until next year :)


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As for the initial controller out at the gate...well, the office of the Chief Council has made it pretty clear that a vector does not constitute a clearance into class Bravo; so please don't get snippy next time someone asks you to clear them into Bravo when all you have given is a radar vector. I understand the sentiment, but hey - I play by the rules especially when I need to play in the SFRA and the FRZ.

For reference:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2010/Doremire.pdf
 

nocturnalaviator

Family Man
Hey Potomac controller, I had to work in the FRZ this morning and appreciate your help and flexibility in coordination for the time I needed to do my job for the USDA.

Yes it's a headache, but in your taking time to work with us in getting this done, we shouldn't need to come back until next year :)


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As for the initial controller out at the gate...well, the office of the Chief Council has made it pretty clear that a vector does not constitute a clearance into class Bravo; so please don't get snippy next time someone asks you to clear them into Bravo when all you have given is a radar vector. I understand the sentiment, but hey - I play by the rules especially when I need to play in the SFRA and the FRZ.

For reference:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2010/Doremire.pdf
AHHH so you were the one on for the FRZ! Congrats. You'll have to elaborate for me when when I get back to the office, I remember us having this convo about controllers getting moody when just verifying we have clearance through bravo. It's our ass.

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Screaming_Emu

Dogsheep
AHHH so you were the one on for the FRZ! Congrats. You'll have to elaborate for me when when I get back to the office, I remember us having this convo about controllers getting moody when just verifying we have clearance through bravo. It's our ass.

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I used to instruct out of BWI and often had to prompt them for clearance into the B.
 

nocturnalaviator

Family Man
Yeah PHL will give you vector and alt into the bravo without the magic words I've been told politely Yes sir my apologies you're cleared in, and then the YES CLEARED THROUGH THR BRAVO HEADING 360 5000FT!!!!

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TFaudree_ERAU

Mashin' dem buttons
Date and time of your flight? I can forward your thanks and concerns to my buddy who works the Mt. Vernon area (DCA) of Potomac. He's got a little bit of pull there, so it won't go unheard.
 

moxiepilot

Well-Known Member
Paleo gate at 13:45 Zulu on 9/12, 4,500 Msl.

The controller who worked me from Nottingham over Andrews, DCA and other sensitive areas was awesome. Initially I thought I'd get turned away, but he went out of his way to inquire how I would affect approaches and worked me between sequencing.

I appreciate when controllers take a minute and recognize the operation isn't JimBob hanging out the window with a handheld, and is flown by folks who:

Have a job to do, and
Are trying to do it as professionally and efficiently as possible.

Thanks for passing along my thanks to him.
 

boondr

Penalty Vectorer
Indirectly. He's a union rep, and has been working on the airspace/procedure redesign for the past couple of years.
I know, I figured I would mess with him if he was telling people that. I think he is done with the rep stuff now though and just focusing on MetroPlex
 
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