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CRJ V1 cuts !

Discussion in 'Airline Pilots' started by This is My Screen Name, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. Jordan93

    Jordan93 Well-Known Member

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    Of course it depends entirely on the situation, but if I'm low and getting vectored and I fat finger something, I usually just click off the AP and hand fly instead of pushing the buttons. It's just about experience. There's no book for it. At my company, we were able to use the FTDs any time we wanted as long as it wasn't in use. Perhaps you can just sit down and mess with the AP.
     
  2. Crop Duster

    Crop Duster UNSUB

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    You can only get so much from a manual. Learning a particular A/P is a bit like learning to play the piano; you've got to practice. Cadence, rhythm, key positions, fluidity... not stuff readily assimilated through reading.
     
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  3. Screaming_Emu

    Screaming_Emu You people

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    I can't help you with a manual, but if there is one rule, always check/monitor the FMA.

    Before you hit any button, look to see what mode it's in.
     
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  4. crticalaoa

    crticalaoa Well-Known Member

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    For me I just used the centerline. I don't get off the ground unless I am in the middle of that center line or as close as possible. The reason I say that is because if you have the centerline control as you get in the air you already know what type of rudder you need.
     
  5. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    Witness lights are fiction, FMA is facts (or at least Otto's version thereof).
     
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  6. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    I don't disagree.

    I'm also not entitled to make the profiles, so.
     
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  7. KLB

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    I don't know if it was mentioned, but as airspeed increases, rudder effectiveness increases. If you're not slightly reducing rudder pressure after rotation, you're going to get coordinated and aircraft control gets more dfficult. I don't know how the airlines do it, but we get the autopilot on as soon as we can to reduce workload.

    As far as the autopilot goes. Always take a second to see what mode you're in before pressing anything. The FMA is what you're looking at to see the mode. Never just punch a button and assume it did what you pushed. I usually verbally say what mode I push aloud. "NAV", "FLC", "VNAV" and etc... Then verify that it's doing what you want it to by saying "NAV captured", "Speed captured", or "Path captured".
     
  8. trafficinsight

    trafficinsight Well-Known Member

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    I do disagree.

    Let us Kung Fu fight.
     
  9. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    They'll look at you funny here for that, but I won't; "NAV, FMS--FMS green" works fine for me.
     
  10. KLB

    KLB Well-Known Member

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    I always like for the guy next to me to know what I'm doing. You know that one time you meant to be in NAV mode but you really were in heading. The other guy assumed you were on top of it, but you really just fat fingered the FGP panel....and things got real interesting?

    Of course that's never happened to though. :)

    I'm big on verbalizing.
     
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  11. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    "Speed and heading"
    "Do you mean speed MODE heading MODE?"
     
  12. This is My Screen Name

    This is My Screen Name Well-Known Member

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    Guess I need to just need to look at the FMA and stop and think before I start fat fingering stuff ! haha

    I guess I'll make less mistakes hopefully in IOE as I will have more time to get set up compared to what you get in the simulator.

    Thanks all.
     
  13. trafficinsight

    trafficinsight Well-Known Member

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    I'm a fan of economy in words:. "Nav... capture"
     
  14. KLB

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    Well basically if I select heading mode, I say "Heading". If I select FLC mode, I say "FLC". Same goes for VNAV and so on. It just keeps the other in the loop on what I intended to do when I reached up to push a button. The 300/350 flight guidance panel reverts to roll mode if you accidentally or intentionally push HDG or NAV twice. So by me calling the mode of intention, it prompts the other guy to look up on his/her PFD to to verify the proper mode has been selected.

    I picked this procedure up from another company I used to work at and it has done wonders for SA.
     
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    KLB Well-Known Member

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    I use this one also.
     
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    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    If you can't tell me why you're pushing that button on the MCP/FCP/GP/FGCP/whatever it is in this airplane you should probably not be pushing it.

    My normal response to the FO finger-frakking the panel, particularly during a dynamic flight state, is to push the red button on the yoke.
     
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    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    Me too.

    "Speed and heading."
     
  18. This is My Screen Name

    This is My Screen Name Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely, I guess I meant in the sim it was rapid fire, back to back. I know stuff can and will come fast in real life also but... en route happens in real life also. So yes, I should absolutely be able to tell you why I'm pushing what I'm pushing Being on IOE I'll probably brief the auto pilot modes when I brief the plate, time allotting(expecting ILS 99% of the time).
     
  19. KLB

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    I wouldn't assume that things will slow down much in IOE.
     
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  20. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

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    The consequences tend to be more...immediate.

    Don't let this thing take you somewhere that your brain hasn't been 5 minutes prior.
     

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