1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Coudn't complete IOE

Discussion in 'Member Announcements' started by robofos, Dec 7, 2016.

  1. robofos

    robofos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    48
    I wanted to make an update on this thread so anyone reading can see how it all ended. After resigning and making this thread, I started applying right away to other airlines. I went with the advice of being honest, but I think that hurt when I filled my applications. "Reason for leaving: Resigned. Didn't complete IOE" This got me rejection letters from Endeavor and Skywest. On my phone interview with Piedmont, I had a chance to explain myself, but they wrote me back saying they weren't going to continue. I was very discouraged. I know I could make it work, and I felt more ready than I did at my first company. I know airlines are hiring just about everyone right now, so when I, an ATP holding candidate with no fails or accidents gets turned down, it felt like I was being treated like a criminal.

    I changed a couple things on my application to Horizon, and interviewed with them last week. The first thing I had to answer was why I resigned, but I explained what I could have done differently, and how I'll make it work if they gave me a second chance. I don't think I did great, but I'm happy they were sympathetic to my situation. The pilot interviewing me seemed to understand, and at the end of the day, I was offered a job! I am very relieved to have all that behind me. I am from Oregon, so a job at this airline will be a good fit. Thanks everyone for the contributions after my first post. This thread also evolved into a helpful way to descend in an E175. I'll be in the Q400 at QX, which I think is a sweet plane, and I'm taking my time now to learn it. Any advice on that will be great to read here too!

    Also, if anyone finds themselves in a similar situation that I was in, feel free to send me a message. I learned a lot in the last few weeks, and I would be happy to help if I can!
     
  2. upup89

    upup89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,280
    Likes Received:
    180
    Best of luck going forward in your new gig. The Q was a fun plane to fly but it can be a handful at times.
     
  3. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    17,414
    Likes Received:
    10,359
    At the risk of sounding like the grumpy old man, what exactly did you "change" in your "story" to QX?
     
    Lunchbox and SurferLucas like this.
  4. Jordan93

    Jordan93 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2015
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    867
    Congrats on the new job!
     
  5. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    17,414
    Likes Received:
    10,359
    The Embraer 175 is the easiest airliner that I've ever flown.
     
    Roger Roger likes this.
  6. SurferLucas

    SurferLucas Southern Gentleman

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    4,460
    and the Q400 is a lot like the MD's...lots of "Why is it doing that?"
     
    DPApilot and Autothrust Blue like this.
  7. robofos

    robofos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    48
    After getting a 2nd rejection letter, I applied to Horizon with:
    "Reason for leaving: Base locations"
    I tried to keep it simple and innocent (and kind of true). I thought that would at least give me a chance to interview and I could explain myself when I had the chance. It worked! Also just spun the situation to be as positive as possible. It was the part I was most nervous about. It made the tech portion of the interview seem easy!
     
  8. Hacker15e

    Hacker15e Virtue Signaling Intersectional Nonbinary Otherkin

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
    Messages:
    11,591
    Likes Received:
    12,755
    As someone with a sizeable black mark on my record, and which I had to explain both on my applications and in multiple interviews, I don't recommend to anyone that they provide explanations that are "kind of true".

    It is not a recipe for long-term success in achieving employment at a career airline.
     
    amorris311, ian, Dexter and 5 others like this.
  9. Yakob

    Yakob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2013
    Messages:
    420
    Likes Received:
    330
    Well congratulations on the offer from Horizon and on bouncing back, and best of luck with training.

    That said, with all due respect, I'm not sure statements that are only " kind of true" are a good idea. Airlines generally take honesty very seriously, and quite frankly as a professional honesty is essential. If you indeed prevaricated on the application and Horizon unearths the truth (which they almost assuredly will since they will be obligated to obtain your PRIA records from your previous employer), you could find yourself fired for dishonesty. And that will look much worse to future employers than simply washing out. I hope you at least told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the interview. Best of luck with the situation.

    A quadrillion times this. I say that as someone with two major marks of
    Cain on my record, both of which I have always been very open about on applications and interviews. Most airline application forms I have seen say that almost nothing (sometimes even criminal convictions) will automatically be a bar to employment, but that lying on the application absolutely will be.
     
    SurferLucas likes this.
  10. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    17,414
    Likes Received:
    10,359
    Lying to the Company on an application is grounds for termination.

    Also, rigid integrity is prerequisite in this business.
     
    Yakob, Hacker15e and SurferLucas like this.
  11. SurferLucas

    SurferLucas Southern Gentleman

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    4,460
    One of Horizon's Core Values is "Integrity"...and changing something on an application, then trying to explain it away after is flat out lying.
     
  12. Maximillian_Jenius

    Maximillian_Jenius Super User

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2003
    Messages:
    27,725
    Likes Received:
    4,435
    And putting what you did on the internet which is forever, is stupid!
     
    amorris311, Dexter, DPApilot and 2 others like this.
  13. Roger Roger

    Roger Roger Navajo Whisperer

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2009
    Messages:
    7,895
    Likes Received:
    9,869
  14. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "This is a God damn waste of time!"

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    17,414
    Likes Received:
    10,359
    I have no marks on my record, and all poop-bags like OP do is make it harder for people with clean records.

    "Are you sure?"
    "I'm positive."
    "Really?"
    "Yes. Really."
     
  15. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    8,404
    Likes Received:
    9,921
    Guys, I like a good gnash cluster pile on like everybody else, but he did tell them the truth. At least according to him.

    Sounds like he took the advice given him earlier and used it to good effect.
     
  16. JordanD

    JordanD Sizeable Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2007
    Messages:
    7,560
    Likes Received:
    6,781
    And then manually override the throttles and use the boards because the box waits until it's directly on top of the fix to bug a 30 knot speed reduction. And wonder why the autothrottle servos are still fighting you and whining furiously when the airplane knows it's fast.
     
  17. mikecweb

    mikecweb Third Generation Arizonan

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    10,944
    Likes Received:
    11,108
    Well if anything he told them the truth, after lying on his application.
     
  18. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    8,404
    Likes Received:
    9,921
    And they still offered him a job. Case closed.
     
    IanM and AA34 like this.
  19. mikecweb

    mikecweb Third Generation Arizonan

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    10,944
    Likes Received:
    11,108
    No, this is the internet.
    [​IMG]
     
  20. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 1969
    Messages:
    34,606
    Likes Received:
    48,225
    This is true.

    "Have you ever received a moving violation?"

    "No, sir"

    "Ok, I'm not talking about your current driving record, the question is 'Have you EVER'. If you've had something expunged through traffic school, the answer would be yes. Have you ever received a moving violation?"

    "No"

    *mistrusting glare*
     

Share This Page