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California Pacific last start up attempt mid-2018

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by ChasenSFO, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Inverted

    Inverted My captain doesn't have a degree, I'm scared....

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    You mean like JetSuite flying 145s offering “private jet service” when in reality it’s a regional from a small airport, going to a slightly better airport? Not sure how long they will last. They routinely fly routes completely empty.
     
  2. Inverted

    Inverted My captain doesn't have a degree, I'm scared....

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    I wish I could pinpoint it. I almost think it’s a chicken and the egg thing. I’m not sure passengers demand and expect it as much as companies trying to do it cheaper have forced the hand. There is certainly a market for low cost fares that’s obvious. I just think it’s insane in 2017 that somebody thinks they’re doing something that nobody else has tried and succeeded.
     
  3. AAPalmTree

    AAPalmTree Well-Known Member

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    There’s some company flying hawkers between PIT and other cities like small RJ service.
     
  4. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "How can you be so obtuse?"

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    I'd call "insanity" trying to start an airline* in 2004 that isn't a VLCC/ULCC, actually. :ooh:

    * now a part of the Alaska Air Group.

    Although, trying to do anything with a regional jet sans a mainline subsidy is pretty insane, too.
     
  5. KSCessnaDriver

    KSCessnaDriver Well-Known Member

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    Yet that's their 3rd hub they've tried it at. They tried IND for sure and I think MKE...
     
  6. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "How can you be so obtuse?"

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    It's both great and awful that the barriers to entry in this business are as high as they are. It's great because, in my view, you can't have a safe, high-quality operation without some serious bankrolling. And on the other hand, it's awful because of the tendency of airlines to go "poof" financially.

    I do think you need to be slightly crazy to try.
     
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    AAPalmTree Well-Known Member

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    You have to be slightly crazy to be in any part of this industry. From HR to pilots to poop truck.
     
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  8. Autothrust Blue

    Autothrust Blue "How can you be so obtuse?"

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    I-Corps creep: "Is everyone around here crazy?"
    Bayless: "Everyone who is sane is, sir!"
     
  9. ShyFlyer

    ShyFlyer CAP Member

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    Gosh, I loved that show. I wanted to be Joe when I grew up. I still hear the theme song every time I see a 400 series Cessna.

    Didn't quite end up like Joe, but I guess this show is where I get my preference for short women who play musical instruments comes from. #imadork
     
  10. ChasenSFO

    ChasenSFO hen teaser

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    Why would the CEO of Aeromass be posing in a Sandpiper Air ad? SHOPPED!
     
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    Cherokee_Cruiser Well-Known Member

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    Or be backed by the government. Amirite? #ME3
     
  12. Soul Brotha'

    Soul Brotha' Well-Known Member

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    The only taxi driver ever at the airport(who is never working) along with the contract MX guy. This conspiracy goes to levels never seen before.
     
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    Inverted My captain doesn't have a degree, I'm scared....

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    And yet they succeeded despite huge barriers an being screwed with. They skinned the cat differently, VX didn't try to do the same boring thing that everyone else does, and they only succeeded enough to be bought, and I feel qualified enough to say that since I work there lol.
     
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    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    It also helped that you had Branson quite literally shoveling money at the problem until critical mass could be achieved.
     
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    ChasenSFO hen teaser

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    As opposed to sneaky bankruptcy mischief like cutting pensions and injecting your airlines contract regional network with viagra and steroids?

    VX didn't plan to print money as some dozen airbus carrier with some low-frequency flights out of LAX and SFO, or while they were adding planes every few weeks and opening/closing stations rapidly(and that whole Dallas focus city thing). That is the period of time they were bleeding money, because for that period of time Virgin was still investing in the airline to make it what they had planned beefing up the fleet and route network to fully compete. Valujet and PeoplExpress are the only 2 airlines I know of who grew as quickly in such a competitive market and still made profits, and of course that was in the pre-Kayak.com days where planes that were 20+ years old were being plucked from the desert cheap. Once Virgin stabilized with SFO/LAX hubs and the JFK focus city and the deliveries slowed down, there were quarters that the airline posted profits. My bet is VX had pretty well settled into it's niche and would have done well after the IPO, not amazing, but well...and probably dropped the DAL focus city. Lol.

    Don't get all the VX hate, I've never seen an airline so popular with people. Especially since most of us in CA are used to flying United everywhere.

    Haha when it was Concord that they were operating from, I got it. No airline service and OAK/SJC/SFO driving traffic is awful for a lot of the day plus all the TSA/airport hassle. But then when they started SJC/OAK and stuff like that, I figure I better get photos while I can. Lol.
     
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    LyteChop Active Member

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    FIFY. Socal people, for the most part, fly Southwest.
     
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    Gonzo Well-Known Member

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    https://www.ruthschris.com/menu/happy-hour
    There you go.
     
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  18. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    All @Derg needs is to go to Sizzl...umm, too soon? @Maximillian_Jenius
     
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    Inverted My captain doesn't have a degree, I'm scared....

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    My buddy flies for them. They are never full, and every so often, completely empty. CCR was a great niche but dude, you are gonna offer SJC to BUR and OAK to BUR/LAS and compete with SWA? GTFO...
     
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    Skåning Well-Known Member

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    You nailed it!

    And when the moment comes and fuel goes up, buh bye shorty fiddy seaters!
     

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