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C Series hits a.....snag

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by mshunter, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. jynxyjoe

    jynxyjoe The Kickin' Chicken!

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    Dude its like 12000 to one! I figured Delta hired more than one black pilot with GA stories.

    Also derglas wanders aimlessly through halls. Its weird, it stand out, i passed by hoping no one thought i was trying to talk to him. Craaaazy. Like, yikes.
     
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  2. Derg

    Derg Naval Intelligence, MCRN Staff Member

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    Oh, that look like the guy on the front part of the main website because we all look alike? KEEP DIGGIN! :) (kidding!)
     
  3. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    And United would be on the order books for the C-Series if Boeing hadn’t basically given them 737s for free to keep them from ordering Bombardier products. Talk about the heights of hypocracy on Boeing’s part.

    Why do I get the feeling that had United ordered the C series, you’d be on the other side of this argument?
     
  4. jynxyjoe

    jynxyjoe The Kickin' Chicken!

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    Eh, idk dude, you looked taller and........older? I keep forgetting how long ive been on this thing. Besides 12000 pilots and I run by you randomly while ur on a sit?

    Besides, didn't you say once the old guys call you that internet nerd? How much would that be cemented when I was like, "yo I'm from the internets, I'm pretty sure that's you and I see ur all alone in this hallway so lets geek out quickly on BSG!"
     
  5. ian

    ian Well-Known Member

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    because thats his MO?
     
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  6. NovemberEcho

    NovemberEcho Well-Known Member

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    If the c-series would supply UAL pilots with headsets that work, I'll even donate for that buy
     
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  7. jynxyjoe

    jynxyjoe The Kickin' Chicken!

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    You are so needy
     
  8. bimmerphile

    bimmerphile SuperCritical™ Member

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    But that sound of mustachioed men muttering into an empty Chock Full o'Nuts can is so nostalgic
     
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  9. FloridaLarry

    FloridaLarry Well-Known Member

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    Airlines can't buy what nobody has made. The days when C.R. Smith could call Donald Douglas and tell him that 'American would buy some DC-3s if it had the following...,' are pretty much over.

    Three other things enter into these decisions. (1.) No new airliner had arrived on time in the past 50 years, if ever. (2.) The people who spend money on these things are pretty conservative on new stuff. Look how long it took winglets to become the standard, even though they saved gas and increased performance from the start. (3.) the amount of time from concept specs with pretty pictures, to an aircraft you can put into service is so long that things they can't control or project very well - economic cycles, the price of fuel, staffing realities, and more - make realistic needs projection into a ouija board game.

    Steering Boeing in new directions is like threading a 747 through the eye of a needle. In retrospect, they blew it when they killed the 757 pre-maturely and made it impossible to backtrack on that decision. Then they blew the process of outsourcing on the 787, and the cost overruns left them gun-shy on the huge R&D expenditures to create a clean-sheet design. Which, in turn, left them sticking with the 737 for one design iteration too long for the long-term health of the company, despite a fattened order book.

    Perhaps they should buy one of the new kids on the block: Bombardier for the C-100s-300s, or one of the Chinese or Russian companies for a true 737 replacement. But they probably won't.
     
  10. jynxyjoe

    jynxyjoe The Kickin' Chicken!

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    Eh, I'm not a marketing or sales expert. Ive often lamented the blown money due to poor QC om the 787, but there's certainly an ability to pivot with a fattened order book.

    The 757 ran out of orders and they hoped the 737 stretch would fill in the gaps left by poor timing. Idk man, maybe if the taxpayers wanna give boeing a couple billion to restart the 757 line you'd catch me there. Bombardier was sinking and needed a life line due to a variety od issues, the biggest being no orders from a real airline (sorry Republic).

    A lot of us think GlasAir should still be around. You wanna talk about a quality team. Anyway, the market kills the good and the bad, and an international trade court has been agreed to by certain members to ensure "fairness" in the market, because the market is unfair enough as it is.

    I cheered when Boeing beat Airbus up on the 380, while shorting their own case by turning Airbus game against them with the Japanese partnership.

    Maybe the courts will go another way, but good Lord why is everyone in a bubble here about the Canadian subsides?
     
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  11. Bear

    Bear Well-Known Member

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    "Bombardier has repeatedly stressed that Americans will be hurt by the tariffs because more than half the content on the 100- to 150-seat CSeries is sourced by U.S. suppliers, including Pratt & Whitney engines. The program is expected to generate more than US$30 billion in business over its life and support more than 22,700 American jobs in 19 states."
    http://montrealgazette.com/business...nother-u-s-preliminary-duty-in-boeing-dispute
     
  12. srn121

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    I figure they can at least see the market response to the C-Series and the MC-21 and since neither company is in a position to mass produce either Boeing will have some time to catch up with a new design if they choose to. They're going to lose a ton of market share if they wait until 2030 for their 737 and 757 replacement like they initially proposed back in 2014.
     
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  13. Seggy

    Seggy Well-Known Member

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    Do you guys need help with reading comprehension? I clearly stated that "This is all about knocking out a competitor (yes, I realize Boeing is being VERY hypocritical here, but it is what it is)."

    If my place bought them, I would have raised my eyebrows, and figured something like this was bound to happen.

    This may actually be a really good opportunity for Pilots here in the United States. If we are smart, we would use some of Boeing's medicine against them next time they want to subsidize a deal to NAI, one of the ME3, or the next iteration of those. Hypocrisy goes both ways though. I see Deltoids belly aching here they got out lawyered by Boeing. Yes, I am sure Delta is going to do a work around, but Delta and their pilots have been pissed for years by the Import Export subsidized banking Boeing secured. But when Delta and their pilots reap those benefits of a state subsidized entity for themselves, they complain when Boeing actually wins.
     
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  14. Bear

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    Boeing
    this sure sounds like Boeing was subsidizing A DEAL!!

    BENGALURU, Oct 9 — Boeing Co had pumped in more than £100 million (RM554.4 million) into Britain’s Monarch Airlines which collapsed last week, the Financial Times (FT) reported today. http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...lines-in-2016-report-says#RamK7WHtAwDLizo4.99

    The collapse will be a headache for some of the world’s largest leasing companies, which financed its current fleet of 36 mainly Airbus (AIR.PA) jets, and for Boeing (BA.N), which has taken firm orders from Monarch for 32 of its 737 MAX aircraft.

    In June Monarch announced plans to boost its order to 45 planes, but part of the deal never materialised on Boeing’s published order book.
    Monarch Airlines was due to receive the first of a 45 Boeing 737 MAX 8 order placed at the Farnborough Air Show in 2014. The order was worth more than $3.2 billion at current list prices.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-holiday-plans-for-many-britons-idUSKCN1C70FQ
     
  15. ian

    ian Well-Known Member

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    TIL pilots buy airplanes and control financing of said airplanes.
     
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  16. learhawkerbe400

    learhawkerbe400 Well-Known Member

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    Bc no yoke.
     
  17. jynxyjoe

    jynxyjoe The Kickin' Chicken!

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    Yoke> szechuan sauce
     
  18. H46Bubba

    H46Bubba Well-Known Member

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    Delta is buying them to replace RJs and a small amount of MD88. The company will be looking for a replacement aircraft for the MD88/MD90 very soon!;)
     
  19. Cptnchia

    Cptnchia Well-Known Member

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    Umm, according to “Top Men,” the CS300 IS the MD88 replacement.
     
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  20. Nick

    Nick Well-Known Member

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    Yikes!!

    I am going to the eternal city of Roma tomorrow night after I catch my low earth orbit uber up to NY!


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    Aloha, but still...

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