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ATP-CTP & the Regulatory Climate

Discussion in 'Changing Careers' started by Flyinthrew, Jul 12, 2016.

  1. Flyinthrew

    Flyinthrew Well-Known Member

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    I'm newish on JC and finally have lurked enough and have processed enough knowledge/gouge to ask a serious question. I also tried out APC but slowly backed out of the room when I realized I was in the wrong neighborhood.

    Anyway, I'm retiring from the Marine Corps in 48 months, and my main objective career-wise is to walk into a major. I feel like I have a proper plan in place, but I can't figure out when best to go to ATP-CTP.

    Is there any legislation or heavy lobbying from groups to suggest that anything will change about the ATP or the ATP-CTP?

    Are there any economic forces that suggest that the ATP-CTP will be cheaper or more expensive in 24-36 months versus today?

    And yeah, I was asleep at the wheel when it came time to be grandfathered in under the old ATP rules. My loss.
     
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    z987k TeamANC

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    Is there any legislation or heavy lobbying from groups to suggest that anything will change about the ATP or the ATP-CTP? No.

    Are there any economic forces that suggest that the ATP-CTP will be cheaper or more expensive in 24-36 months versus today? Maybe a bit more from normal price raising and inflation etc.
     
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    Finny Well-Known Member

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    If you go to a regional airline before being picked up by a major, your ATP-CTP will be covered by the airline. Once it becomes the norm for people to need it there will not be such controversy over it.
     
  4. Flyinthrew

    Flyinthrew Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the replies. So no real difference between attending the CTP now or closer to when an ATP is needed.

    As far as having a regional pay for it, I'm not a never say never sort of guy, but if going to a regional to fly becomes the right choice, I probably won't know it until it's too late. I suppose waiting to see if the market forces regional pay up even more over the next few years would also be good.
     
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    You'd probably just be going there for a handful of months. About 2 months for the training and type, and then a couple on the line and OE. If you'd otherwise be able to go from where you are now to a major(assuming you had an ATP), you should be able to after a few months at a regional to. Make them pay for it.
    I mean, it's not that uncommon for people to quit before or just after OE.
     
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    No, I don't believe there will be any "mil-comp" option for getting the ATP, nor do I believe we are going to see a time soon when a mil pilot without an ATP will be able to be hired by a major, and have the major include CTP/ATP written/ATP as part of the training program. So, bottom line, it is going to be on you to get your ATP within the next year (if you, indeed, want to step right in to a major airline job upon retirement).

    I posted this over on APC regarding the question of whether or not to pay for ATP/CTP out of pocket, or to go for a short time to a regional and let them pick up the tab:

    http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/military/91325-pay-atp-let-regionals-pay.html
    Also, this:
    http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/military/92097-af-airlines-13.html
    I recently retired from the USAF and transitioned to the airlines. I all ready had my ATP when I retired, but I was non-current (desk job on my last assignment) and spent a year at the regionals before moving on to a job at the majors. All told, it was actually a good experience flying at the regionals, so don't make the mistake of thinking that, as a retired military pilot, you're too good/experienced/high-paid for a regional stint.
     
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  7. Flyinthrew

    Flyinthrew Well-Known Member

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    That's pretty much what I was tracking as far as not using the regional to get the ATP. The gist of my original post was I have 4 years left, should I get my ATP now or later. Of course, the Marine Corps could do anything with me so maybe I'll hold off in case I get that super special desk job which robs my recency.
     
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    Ultimately, that's going to be a big part of the picture -- what your currency/recency is in that last 12-18 months prior to retirement. Then you'll have to decide what to do. Let's not forget, also, that the hiring picture in 3 years could be substantially different than it is now. Who knows what the industry will look like; in 1999, the future of the airline industry looked ridiculously good and 3 years later it began the slide into "the lost decade".

    That being said, I think it is inevitable that the cost of a CTP course will come down, just given the sheer volume of people (military, mostly) who will need it (most civilian dudes will get it as part of their regional training program). You should start banking money -- I'd shoot for $6K-$10K -- now in preparation for needing to pay for it in another couple years, though. Better to have it than to not need it.
     
  9. Flyinthrew

    Flyinthrew Well-Known Member

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    A little birdie set this on my window sill.

    http://news.delta.com/new-pilot-certification-program-available-through-delta

    I consider it a peculiar move for a legacy to offer the ATP-CTP. They're not exactly in the business of training the masses. The only things I can come up with are 1) they have enough spare capacity and the numbers at the bottom of the spreadsheet say that it adds enough value to that spare capacity and 2) the dreamer in me wonders if they're setting it up to hire and train otherwise fully qualified mil guys once the pool of grandfathered individuals runs thin. Of course, unless all of the other majors start doing the same thing, an applicant is really putting all the eggs in one basket by skipping the CTP/written and only applying to Delta.

    Does anybody else know anything about why this move was made?
     

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