ATC hiring standards back in Obama Admin

TWP

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#41
It’s well known that government agencies hire in ultra politically correct fashion, going for diversity quotas over qualification. You can’t really blame this on whatever president is in office at the time.
 

greg1016

Trustworthy Source
#42
It’s well known that government agencies hire in ultra politically correct fashion, going for diversity quotas over qualification. You can’t really blame this on whatever president is in office at the time.
you don't get to make that claim without citing sources.
 

Stinger

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#44
and the current hiring practices are the result of a lawsuit filed by the nbcfae over the CTI program (which quite literally had turned into pay-to-play hiring), and further collaboration with NATCA
CTI wasn't and was never sold as a guaranteed entry to the FAA (unless a CTI school was shady and said the degree was required to get hired and it was guaranteed the FAA would select you.) I don't get why you're saying going CTI was a pay-to-play hiring situation.
Current hiring practices are because congress essentially told the FAA "you screwed up so bad that we're going to tell you how to hire your people" when the FAA was bypassing prior-experience controllers to hire no-experience people. That new method is the Pool 1 and Pool 2 instead of everyone all lumped together.
 
#45
CTI wasn't and was never sold as a guaranteed entry to the FAA (unless a CTI school was shady and said the degree was required to get hired and it was guaranteed the FAA would select you.) I don't get why you're saying going CTI was a pay-to-play hiring situation.
Current hiring practices are because congress essentially told the FAA "you screwed up so bad that we're going to tell you how to hire your people" when the FAA was bypassing prior-experience controllers to hire no-experience people. That new method is the Pool 1 and Pool 2 instead of everyone all lumped together.
At least with the new hiring, everyone I know personally with a CTI degree was magically plucked from the pool this year. Unlikely to be a coincidence when these CTI grads try year after year then all get in at once while no one I know without prior experience(myself included) made it out of the pool this year.
 

Stinger

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#46
At least with the new hiring, everyone I know personally with a CTI degree was magically plucked from the pool this year. Unlikely to be a coincidence when these CTI grads try year after year then all get in at once while no one I know without prior experience(myself included) made it out of the pool this year.
FAA is required to hire such that the difference between pools 1 and 2 is no greater than 10%. Aiming for 50/50, but up to 55/45 is legally allowed. Pool 1 is Veterans/CTI. Pool 2 is general public. (I may have the pools reversed, idk.) On the ATSA, the veterans get 5 or 10 points bonus so if they had received a 79, they now may be at an 89. Depending on how many people the FAA has allotted for hiring, it's possible that only veterans would get selected in pool 1, both bottom scoring veterans and all CTIs are left unselected....while Pool 2 general public hires are the remaining 50% of the hires.

The breakdown of which category the hirees come from depends entirely on how many selections the FAA is making.
 

greg1016

Trustworthy Source
#47
Yes well that may be the case now, but from 2011 to 2014 there were only CTI announcements, no off the street, no VRA. That is why CTI was pay to play
 

denverpilot

Well-Known Member
#48
You aren't a conservative. You're a worshiper of the Trump cult of personality. There's a very big difference.
With both power cults being cults of personality these days, I wouldn’t toss that rock from inside the glass house too hard, if one is a cult member of either one.

Measured objectively by results, both cults are pitiful. Thankfully the system is designed to mostly log jam when two cults take over, as they currently have.

The only part of that log jam our ancestors screwed up royally was allowing them to change how collecting money, spending, and appropriations work.

That’s screwing everyone who’s rational now, the assumption that politicians could manage their own spending without outside input was blatantly wrong. But probably irreversible, and increasingly destructive.
 

Stinger

Well-Known Member
#49
Yes well that may be the case now, but from 2011 to 2014 there were only CTI announcements, no off the street, no VRA. That is why CTI was pay to play
2006-2010 was riddled with OTS announcements. FAA has always said that general public was an avenue to get into the FAA.
The last CTI only bid was basically August 2012 which doesn't even count because the FAA jacked the selection list all up. FAA ended up making their selections for that bid off the last bid from February 2012 from the remaining CTI grads that weren't selected.
 

ATN_Pilot

Socialist Pig Member
#50
With both power cults being cults of personality these days, I wouldn’t toss that rock from inside the glass house too hard, if one is a cult member of either one.

Measured objectively by results, both cults are pitiful. Thankfully the system is designed to mostly log jam when two cults take over, as they currently have.

The only part of that log jam our ancestors screwed up royally was allowing them to change how collecting money, spending, and appropriations work.

That’s screwing everyone who’s rational now, the assumption that politicians could manage their own spending without outside input was blatantly wrong. But probably irreversible, and increasingly destructive.
:rolleyes:
 

CRJInTheHeartOfTexas

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#52
For the record I am licensed dispatcher looking for work, I have no intention of sparing with the pilot group- but just a quick observation I'm quite surprised by the majority left leaning vibe.. maybe its just the regional pilots/millenials being more vocal? As a pilot why do you believe Obama was a better choice for you vs Trump... and please don't use the race card, that is just pure left propaganda. I will not enertain those talking points. And for the those ATC guys, sorry but I fully support privatization. Trump is gunning for you due to the mess of N90 and LGA, government cushy jobs with no recourse of customer feedback. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
 

ATN_Pilot

Socialist Pig Member
#53
For the record I am licensed dispatcher looking for work, I have no intention of sparing with the pilot group- but just a quick observation I'm quite surprised by the majority left leaning vibe.. maybe its just the regional pilots/millenials being more vocal? As a pilot why do you believe Obama was a better choice for you vs Trump... and please don't use the race card, that is just pure left propaganda. I will not enertain those talking points. And for the those ATC guys, sorry but I fully support privatization. Trump is gunning for you due to the mess of N90 and LGA, government cushy jobs with no recourse of customer feedback. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Any union member who isn't a Democrat is brain dead.
 

CRJInTheHeartOfTexas

бог благословит мать россия
#56
I wouldn't waste my time. You already know the arguments, but you don't care. You're more concerned with those scary brown people.
WOW. I explicity say don't resort to the race card and look what you do. C'mon my aviation peer, I know you have more brain cells than that. You want to call me a Trump cult member, explain to me why my stance is absurd. All of JetCareers is here to see you put me in my place. The floor is yours, please let's hear the intelligence of a BernieBot
 
#59
For the record I am licensed dispatcher looking for work, I have no intention of sparing with the pilot group- but just a quick observation I'm quite surprised by the majority left leaning vibe.. maybe its just the regional pilots/millenials being more vocal? As a pilot why do you believe Obama was a better choice for you vs Trump... and please don't use the race card, that is just pure left propaganda. I will not enertain those talking points. And for the those ATC guys, sorry but I fully support privatization. Trump is gunning for you due to the mess of N90 and LGA, government cushy jobs with no recourse of customer feedback. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
LOL!!

Enjoy your stay, troll. Well done.
 
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