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Ameriflight

floridabeachbum

Well-Known Member
Got a couple of buddies at Ameriflight that went to go get turbo prop pic time. Heard once they got there they were then forced into the BE99 after being told they would get the BE1900. They also changed their base assignments. All are looking to get out.
Anyone know if this is true? If it is, Ameriflight that is pretty damn shady!
 

mikecweb

Third Generation Arizonan
Got a couple of buddies at Ameriflight that went to go get turbo prop pic time. Heard once they got there they were then forced into the BE99 after being told they would get the BE1900. They also changed their base assignments. All are looking to get out.
Anyone know if this is true? If it is, Ameriflight that is pretty damn shady!
Is the 99 turboprop PIC time not as good?
 

floridabeachbum

Well-Known Member
It’s good, but
Is the 99 turboprop PIC time not as good?
these are guys with families, etc that were promised a better qol. Then it seems, Ameriflight sweet talked them into quitting their jobs and coming there only to do the old bait and switch. Remember, happy wife happy life, also the kids, etc. I’m just saying if you go to a company expecting one thing and based your future plans around that then the company does something that substantiallly impacts that and evidently lied about it and to you from the get go, I would be looking for another job too.

Inverted, it appears nothing has changed at Ameriflight.
 

flyingbum

Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
It’s good, but

these are guys with families, etc that were promised a better qol. Then it seems, Ameriflight sweet talked them into quitting their jobs and coming there only to do the old bait and switch. Remember, happy wife happy life, also the kids, etc. I’m just saying if you go to a company expecting one thing and based your future plans around that then the company does something that substantiallly impacts that and evidently lied about it and to you from the get go, I would be looking for another job too.

Inverted, it appears nothing has changed at Ameriflight.
Sorry to hear about your friends having to go through that, unfortunately AMF has been in a staffing scramble and they have done this in the past. I don't believe they do this as normal practice, usually it's a recruiter just trying to get people in the door. Tell your friends that things change fast there and getting the base they wanted will probably happen really quick. I know that is no excuse for how shady and unethical AMF is, but if they stick it out they will get what they want eventually. I personally would be upset about the difference in pay between the 99 and 1900, that's a big chunk of change. I heard about a guy they did this to recently and he's looking to bail, and another guy last year that bailed after 2 weeks of flying the line because they stuck him in another base other than what he was hired for.

If your friends decide to stay there, (or Not) make sure that they write corporate, DO,CP, and so forth and let them know what has happened with the bait and switch, who knows it's entirely possible that nobody in management knows about this. Bringing it to their attention has many benefits, First; if they are not aware, now they are, maybe they won't care, maybe they will. Second; If they do care maybe they can do something about it, maybe they won't, this is AMF we're talking about. Third; If in fact they don't care and won't do anything about it we as a pilot community need to know so that we can spread the word around to stay away from their shady unethical operation. Fourth; It might force them to rethink their recruiting practices for the better, if they don't then that is on them, and they can go out of business for all I care. Best of luck to your friends and make sure they pass all the info onto the community, good or bad.
 

floridabeachbum

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear about your friends having to go through that, unfortunately AMF has been in a staffing scramble and they have done this in the past. I don't believe they do this as normal practice, usually it's a recruiter just trying to get people in the door. Tell your friends that things change fast there and getting the base they wanted will probably happen really quick. I know that is no excuse for how shady and unethical AMF is, but if they stick it out they will get what they want eventually. I personally would be upset about the difference in pay between the 99 and 1900, that's a big chunk of change. I heard about a guy they did this to recently and he's looking to bail, and another guy last year that bailed after 2 weeks of flying the line because they stuck him in another base other than what he was hired for.

If your friends decide to stay there, (or Not) make sure that they write corporate, DO,CP, and so forth and let them know what has happened with the bait and switch, who knows it's entirely possible that nobody in management knows about this. Bringing it to their attention has many benefits, First; if they are not aware, now they are, maybe they won't care, maybe they will. Second; If they do care maybe they can do something about it, maybe they won't, this is AMF we're talking about. Third; If in fact they don't care and won't do anything about it we as a pilot community need to know so that we can spread the word around to stay away from their shady unethical operation. Fourth; It might force them to rethink their recruiting practices for the better, if they don't then that is on them, and they can go out of business for all I care. Best of luck to your friends and make sure they pass all the info onto the community, good or bad.
True, heard they sent out a company wide memo saying they were changing the days off of the home based Captains to give them more days off, HA! They actually took their 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and made it like 4 days the first week then 1 week or some bull. Mass resignations followed. Could explain all the sudden openings posted on their hiring web page.

Ameriflight, oh well. Just passing info along. So my buddies are getting out, bum I appreciate your response.
 

Itchy

Well-Known Member
True, heard they sent out a company wide memo saying they were changing the days off of the home based Captains to give them more days off, HA! They actually took their 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and made it like 4 days the first week then 1 week or some bull. Mass resignations followed. Could explain all the sudden openings posted on their hiring web page.

Ameriflight, oh well. Just passing info along. So my buddies are getting out, bum I appreciate your response.

Glad folks are voting with their feet. Two few pilots sitting around to continue to treat them like poo.
 

flyingbum

Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
Plot Twist. Not really Plot twist.
LONG LIVE THE CARROT ON A STRING! Sorry no link

Ameriflight announced they are expanding their agreement with UPS intern Pilots to include current and future Ameriflight pilots.

Mark my words in a time capsule! It will be so ridiculously restrictive that only a handful will ever get to do it. After pulling this out of their playbook I don't think they'll have any other moves left to get fresh Pilots in the doors.

*opens AMF recruiting playbook*
*sees Carrot*
*sees string*
*reads blurb about dishonesty*

Meh, sounds good

#timecapsule
 

flyingbum

Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
True, heard they sent out a company wide memo saying they were changing the days off of the home based Captains to give them more days off, HA! They actually took their 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and made it like 4 days the first week then 1 week or some bull. Mass resignations followed. Could explain all the sudden openings posted on their hiring web page.

Ameriflight, oh well. Just passing info along. So my buddies are getting out, bum I appreciate your response.
Good for them, I'm glad I left that place, now I make more money and have more time off, haha.
 
Geez I hope all of this isnt true. It used to be an ok place to be. I was there in 09-12 and it was alright...depending on the base....but now, holy crap Batman no way.
 

A150K

Well-Known Member
Schedule and qol are the main reason I left AMF. One could argue that career wise staying at AMF and getting a type may have been a better career move than taking an air ambulance gig in a C90 (which I'm now getting ready to leave for a 121 gig...), but man getting up that early and working 6 days per week really takes a toll on a person after a year let along a long period of time.
 

Inverted

“Everything has a little suck in it”
No other company that big, pulls the stuff they do. I actually think it’s gotten better since SS and some of the other old guard has left. Those in upper management who were under the belief that pilots should eat the crap that AMF dishes and they better like it really kept the QOL low. They will gladly turn you bitter to fill any opening they can, once you’ve quit your previous job.
 

Bamaaviator

Well-Known Member
No other company that big, pulls the stuff they do. I actually think it’s gotten better since SS and some of the other old guard has left. Those in upper management who were under the belief that pilots should eat the crap that AMF dishes and they better like it really kept the QOL low. They will gladly turn you bitter to fill any opening they can, once you’ve quit your previous job.
Reading this stuff about AMF reminds me a lot of the flight school I work for. At the school I teach at, management is a lot like how you describe pilots on the 135/91 side of the industry. They do a lot of contract corporate for various airplane owners, mostly single engine turboprops and light jets. Violating regs, poor training of new pilots and instructors, crappy schedules, extremely low pay,etc. Lots of shady stuff, stuff that prompted me to consult a lawyer's opinion on it. This lawyer told me to just run from this place. I've worked in other jobs/industries before I came to aviation, and I've never previously seen the kinds of crap pulled like I have seen here at this school. And the worst part about it, is the head honcho thinks this place is 'so awesome!!' Lol it's comical. These individuals think aviation revolves around the company. When you and other guys on here were describing AMF, it's like you were also describing the place I work at.

Before I started instructing, I was gung-ho on going the 135/91 route after I got some experience and got my foot in the door. I've flown with a few characters who are "lifers" at this place, and it reminds me of everything you've mentioned about the bad habits pilots have in this sector of the industry. Typically with the lifers I've noticed this. I've run into a lot of pilots at FBO's when I was out flying with students, and they all tell me the same thing, "go the 121 route, forget freight, charter, corporate." I've heard more 135/91 horror stories than I even care to remember.

I don't want to paint with a broad brush here. I've met plenty of good pilots on the 135/91 side. But, after seeing a lot so far, and learning and growing, I am convinced 121 is the better route. I used to be against the regionals and airlines in general. Reading these forums and seeing things as a flight instructor firsthand has really opened my eyes, and taught me A LOT.
 

DForney

Well-Known Member
I was considering AMF but not with these differals. Thank you all, for the nuts and bolts of AMF. I really haven't heard but maybe two positive comments.
A buddy worked for Martin aire and he also commented on low QOL.

I'm considering Alaska/ hageland to get me to 1500. I could also just do laps around the U.S.