Allegiant 60 Minutes Investigation

#62
He is like an A.nutter hanging around on JC instead of airliners.nut
He is none of that! He is a professional 121 pilot and has many co-workers here on the site. While I do not know him personally, we have talked innumerable amounts of time, at length here in PM. Or via text and on FB where he is a friend of mine. Until recently, he was working as a CFI here in Phoenix. I consider him to be one of the many personal mentors of sorts, on here to me that I regularly network with. He is always willing to take time out to answer any all question/concern that I have. Let's maybe chill with all the invectives. Thx.
 

Cptnchia

Dissatisfied Customer
#65
And what is the time span between the two Delta, American, and Southwest pictures? They sure didn’t happen during the same month. Not like Alliegant having 5 in one month. The Delta 737 didn’t even involve flight crews. It was an MX engine run and the brakes failed.
 

milleR

Well-Known Member
#67
And what is the time span between the two Delta, American, and Southwest pictures? They sure didn’t happen during the same month. Not like Alliegant having 5 in one month. The Delta 737 didn’t even involve flight crews. It was an MX engine run and the brakes failed.
The amount of stupid in that argument was painful.
 

Derg

Cap, Roci
Staff member
#68
The 737 was a mechanic! Come on, now! :)

Does Allegiant have some problems? Oh god yes. But simply because they have problems, doesn't mean their crews are any less safe than anyone else. But if Allegiant isn't giving those professional flight crews the resources they need in order to get the job done, it should be addressed.

My airline had it's "Summer of '91" where we were about to get shut down because of a flood of incidents and accidents, but there were a lot of changes after that.

If Allegiant has made and is progressively doing that, amazing. But over the past few years and quite a few "captain chat, WWYD" texts from friends and colleagues working there, they do have a "peculiar" number of situations which I would gather another airline would have handled much differently.
 

Murdoughnut

Well sized member
#69
The general public certainly doesnt know and I never heard about the aborted take off in Vegas. There is no way I would ever put my family on one of their airplanes anyway but this should be confirmation that there is something seriously wrong there.
Locally we did. Tampa Bay Times was the primary source 60-Minutes used
 

A80TRACON

Well-Known Member
#70
And what is the time span between the two Delta, American, and Southwest pictures? They sure didn’t happen during the same month. Not like Alliegant having 5 in one month. The Delta 737 didn’t even involve flight crews. It was an MX engine run and the brakes failed.

That second Delta Pic was the fault of maintenance on a mid shift. I know, I was there. Nothing to do with a flight crew.
 

SeanD

Well-Known Member
#73
Locally we did. Tampa Bay Times was the primary source 60-Minutes used
Yup. There have been a number of articles out of Tampa about Allegiant over the years. They never report on any of the incidents here in Vegas. Heaven forbid Cleetus and Vickie cancel their casino trip from Montana costing Hooters Casino $300 in profit.
 

Apophis

Resident Iconoclast
#76
He is none of that! He is a professional 121 pilot and has many co-workers here on the site. While I do not know him personally, we have talked innumerable amounts of time, at length here in PM. Or via text and on FB where he is a friend of mine. Until recently, he was working as a CFI here in Phoenix. I consider him to be one of the many personal mentors of sorts, on here to me that I regularly network with. He is always willing to take time out to answer any all question/concern that I have. Let's maybe chill with all the invectives. Thx.
I was just playing.

I should never be quick to label a person an a.nutter *shudders*

:)
 

mshunter

Well-Known Member
#78
He is none of that! He is a professional 121 pilot and has many co-workers here on the site. While I do not know him personally, we have talked innumerable amounts of time, at length here in PM. Or via text and on FB where he is a friend of mine. Until recently, he was working as a CFI here in Phoenix. I consider him to be one of the many personal mentors of sorts, on here to me that I regularly network with. He is always willing to take time out to answer any all question/concern that I have. Let's maybe chill with all the invectives. Thx.
I gotta agree with Max on this one. I don't know him other than from here, but he seems like a level headed, decent dude.

The "public shaming" crap is getting really old when people disagree. Remember where your mom said "If you don't have anything nice to say......"

Disagree with someone, but FFS, quit the "he's some troll airplane enthusiast" simply because you disagree. The keyboard ninja stuff is old and childish.
 

inigo88

Composite-lover
#79
@tcco94 In the interest of full disclosure and because trolling has been mentioned, would you mind clarifying if you have - or have had - any association with Allegiant, its affiliates or vendors?
Who's calling me a troll? Is that a joke? I think I've been around here long enough to not be called a troll. Unless that's someone that's sensitive I don't agree with their opinion. I came into here to have a discussion about the episode. Yes @SeanD I did watch the episode. I've also read the articles on Allegiant for the past 3 years or so bashing the airline.

I have worked for Allegiant, but not in the flight ops or maintenance department...
@tcco94 I think your honesty is commendable, especially on an online forum. I'll return the favor and say I was the one that said "I'm beginning to think you work there and are trolling us." I didn't mean for that to snowball into "@tcco94 is a troll, burn the witch!" like it did. I simply wanted to point out that it seemed like you were asking some rhetorical questions, and seemed personally invested in how fairly Allegiant was being treated in this thread (because you worked there, you still have friends that work there, etc). And this thread is probably pretty unfair to those Allegiant pilots who read JC and aren't allowed to comment because of their social media policy.

That being said, the Tampa Bay Times reporting is extremely damning. Even if it is two years old, the things that were going on (3.5 times more likely to have a major mechanical failure than ALL the majors, and you only have 99 planes??!) were so bad that it isn't a simple matter of "we worked with the FAA for a year or two and our safety culture is magically 100% better now."

Even if the 60 minutes report is completely outdated (which judging by the raw incident statistics on places like Avherald I'm not convinced that's true), the fact is that the company has lost the public's trust and is going to face a long uphill battle to earn it back.
 

greg1016

Trustworthy Source
#80
forget about months, lets talk incidents per flight hours or incidents per passenger. I am sure even the 60 Minutes statistics err on the side of Allegiant and not the industry.
 
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