737 Max Airliners Ordered Immediately Grounded in the US

BobDDuck

Island Bus Driver
In most, if not all, corporate arbitration arrangements, the arbitrator is paid by the company. That fact alone makes a truly neutral and disinterested stance on the part of the arbitrator virtually impossible.
Entirely correct.
Like the Toddster said... nope.

In union - company arbitrationions, the costs are generally borne equally by both parties. Sometimes, if either part's position is particularly stupid, part of the arbitrator's award may force that party to cover both side's costs due to them wasting everybody's time by not settling a dumb case some time prior to getting to arbitration.
 

SlumTodd_Millionaire

Socialist Pig Member
Like the Toddster said... nope.

In union - company arbitrationions, the costs are generally borne equally by both parties. Sometimes, if either part's position is particularly stupid, part of the arbitrator's award may force that party to cover both side's costs due to them wasting everybody's time by not settling a dumb case some time prior to getting to arbitration.
Not only that, but even the selection of the arbitrator is governed by the CBA. Usually a pre-determined list of arbitrators that have a reputation for being impartial are listed, and then for each individual arbitration the parties strike names until arriving at the one who will hear that case.

Arbitration isn’t perfect. But it’s generally a fair and impartial process.
 

EIR

Erik10
Where did they announce that? There is no way that is gonna happen.
On their website.

An Update on the Boeing 737 MAX

Wednesday, October 09, 2019, 7:00 AM
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Updated Oct. 9, 2019 at 7 a.m. CT. American Airlines anticipates that the impending software updates to the Boeing 737 MAX will lead to recertification of the aircraft later this year and resumption of commercial service in January 2020.
Updated Oct. 9, 2019 at 7 a.m. CT.
MAX expected to return to service Jan. 16, 2020.
American Airlines anticipates that the impending software updates to the Boeing 737 MAX will lead to recertification of the aircraft later this year and resumption of commercial service in January 2020. We are in continuous contact with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and Department of Transportation (DOT).
 

Autothrust Blue

"I’d make a suggestion but you won’t listen”
On their website.

An Update on the Boeing 737 MAX

Wednesday, October 09, 2019, 7:00 AM
Download PDF (English)PDF Format (opens in new window)
Updated Oct. 9, 2019 at 7 a.m. CT. American Airlines anticipates that the impending software updates to the Boeing 737 MAX will lead to recertification of the aircraft later this year and resumption of commercial service in January 2020.
Updated Oct. 9, 2019 at 7 a.m. CT.
MAX expected to return to service Jan. 16, 2020.
American Airlines anticipates that the impending software updates to the Boeing 737 MAX will lead to recertification of the aircraft later this year and resumption of commercial service in January 2020. We are in continuous contact with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and Department of Transportation (DOT).
O’kurr
 

Kingairer

'Tiger Team' Member

bimmerphile

SuperCritical™ Member
Kevin McAllister, Boeing's CEO of commercial airplanes, is "leaving" according to the NY Times. In addition to problems with the Max, the NYT also mentioned commercial group's production problems in Charleston, cracking in the 737 NG, and foreign objects in the KC-46. Top Boeing Executive to Leave as 737 Max Crisis Swells
They're really stretching the plots on these Home Alone sequels
 

JeppUpdater

Well-Known Member
Remember the CRW crash where the FOs text messages were part of the docket? Now texts among Boeing employees are coming in to play for the MCAS issues. Something to keep in mind in the day to day ops.

Forkner then says MCAS was “running rampant in the sim on me”. He describes what he experienced: “I’m leveling off at like 4000 ft, 230 knots and the plane is trimming itself like craxy (sic). I’m like, WHAT?”

Gustavsson responds that he experienced similar patterns with MCAS, “but on approach.”
New sim (and I’ve flown enough TRU-produced sims to be very unimpressed in general), but still causing a ruckus.

 

MikeD

Administrator
Staff member
Remember the CRW crash where the FOs text messages were part of the docket? Now texts among Boeing employees are coming in to play for the MCAS issues. Something to keep in mind in the day to day ops.
Texts (including when one was texting) are now fair investigative game. Agreed.....something to definitely keep in mind. Opens the door to looking at possible distractions, etc, whether a factor or not in an incident/accident, in addition to if any text content is related.
 
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