Cherokee_Cruiser
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The relief crew kept their jobs. The operating CA/FO, right when they got back to Dubai they were slid resignation papers across the table.
737-800 demonstrates soft field take off in Moscow.
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The relief crew kept their jobs. The operating CA/FO, right when they got back to Dubai they were slid resignation papers across the table.
gotWXdagain
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This would be much less of a problem if they just let you run full thrust takeoffs every time ::troll::
z987k
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It does seem like Aero data's only goal is to use every inch of every runway.
And you get things like a stop margin of less than 100 feet. Ya, sure, that'll happen.
Boris Badenov
Someone should definitely do *something*, Captain!
A lot of the Captains I've flown with so far kinda finesse the numbers if the stop margin is stupid. Or just say "Yeah, we're gonna use T/O on this one". There are advantages in flying for a smaller carrier...
NovemberEcho
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Color me confused, but doesn’t T/O mean takeoff power?
Stone Cold
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Boris Badenov
Someone should definitely do *something*, Captain!
There are de-rates termed "T/O 1" and "T/O 2". "T/O" is max takeoff power. This is on a 35 year old airplane, I'm sure the modern metal is even more complex. It's all new to me, too, as in the 135 world it was always max blast/radar power every time. Interesting sidenote, though, the guys I've been most impressed by don't do this as ops normal (although it seems like they could, as there's no obvious oversight from On High), because engine failures seem to happen most often on max-blast departures. The idea seems to be that you want to use derate power if the numbers say you can AND it's not stupid-close. But there's some room for the PIC to use a little bit of Judgment as to which danger is greater. Imagine that!
Boris Badenov
Someone should definitely do *something*, Captain!
OH! SHOTS FIRED!He's Ukrainian (says he's Russian, but he's from Ukraine), so he was joking around.
z987k
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We do that to.
Stone Cold
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Boris flies a different plane than I, but the premise is the same...
We have T/O, T/O 1, and T/O 2 settings, depending on runway, conditions, weight, aerodata, etc. The TO 1 and 2 are derated takeoff settings, meaning we're saving fuel and the engines, but can still lift off in those conditions.
We can always advance the thrust levers to get more power, or select T/O instead of T/O 1. So, saying they can select T/O means they aren't doing a derated takeoff. So the roundabout answer is yes, it means takeoff but not like you think.
Did that make sense?
Stone Cold
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Been shooting at him for years!
NovemberEcho
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Yep perfect sense. Never knew about the different settings, always assumed takeoff meant balls to the walls
Boris Badenov
Someone should definitely do *something*, Captain!
You wouldn't hardly be a Russian or a Ukranian or a Russkie-Experienced Expat if you didn't occasionally get out the old Dragunov and test your skills, I reckon!Been shooting at him for years!
z987k
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But there goes your Vmc calculations.
Stone Cold
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Oh I'm a Russkie and Ukrainskie experienced expat. That's why I give him a hard time. Everybody remembers the Moscow days, but there were 2 years 4 months of Kiev time also, in the Lear 60.
Stone Cold
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Plus, our St. Petersburg boss' last name was Kalishnikov. Not quite spelled the same, but it sounds cool.
Boris Badenov
Someone should definitely do *something*, Captain!
I'm guessing the hotel desk personnel didn't split hairs over the different spelling when you "asked" for an upgrade.Plus, our St. Petersburg boss' last name was Kalishnikov. Not quite spelled the same, but it sounds cool.
Pilot Fighter
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That makes sense but is there good data behind it? Curious if more folks are going full balls than the engine cobblers think and it's skewing the data. I imagine that's an SDU (ACARS) or other tattletale item.
Boris Badenov
Someone should definitely do *something*, Captain!
None that I've seen. As I said, though, no one seems to go max blast unless the stop numbers are extremely dodgy. We have FOQA, but it is administered, so near as I can tell, extremely leniently. Which seems like a pretty good situation to me.
BigZ
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With the usual accuracy
To test your expat skills, my comment on that will be "полшестого" (5:30 to make it easier. Go figure that one outBeen shooting at him for years!