T-2C Buckeye crash on the Lex...

[bunk22]

..an old one and probably posted before though I couldn't find it. I flew the T-2C as a stud in advanced and this was a video they showed us over and over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI9SjKT-oWM

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by bunk22

..an old one and probably posted before though I couldn't find it. I flew the T-2C as a stud in advanced and this was a video they showed us over and over:

I remember when this one happened, was big news. Went into the island....

[calcapt]

Notice the guys sitting in the airplane right on the fire line at the 1:15 mark. Should we eject? Stay put? Jump out? .............Finally they jump and run thinking to themselves Holy smoke that was close.....

I remember how focused I was my first T2 trap. Fortunately the Lexington was down, forcing the USS America to take my aircraft carrier landing virginity.

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by calcapt

Notice the guys sitting in the airplane right on the fire line at the 1:15 mark. Should we eject? Stay put? Jump out? .............Finally they jump and run thinking to themselves Holy smoke that was close.....

I remember how focused I was my first T2 trap. Fortunately the Lexington was down, forcing the USS America to take my aircraft carrier landing virginity.

By the time I got my first traps, the Lex was retired. My first 10 traps were onboard the Kitty Hawk off the coast of San Diego in July of 96. Good times

[///AMG]

Originally Posted by bunk22

By the time I got my first traps, the Lex was retired. My first 10 traps were onboard the Kitty Hawk off the coast of San Diego in July of 96. Good times

Can't wait.....hook down in early Feb if skeds doesn't change it

[Okie_Pilot]

Originally Posted by calcapt

Notice the guys sitting in the airplane right on the fire line at the 1:15 mark. Should we eject? Stay put? Jump out? .............Finally they jump and run thinking to themselves Holy smoke that was close.....

Wow. I barely caught this, but if you watch carefully at 0:58, the backseat pilot ejects, then you can see where the canopy/seat is missing at 1:08. Then the front pilot decides just to jump out of the plane. What a sad preventable ordeal.

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by Okie_Pilot

Wow. I barely caught this, but if you watch carefully at 0:58, the backseat pilot ejects, then you can see where the canopy/seat is missing at 1:08. Then the front pilot decides just to jump out of the plane. What a sad preventable ordeal.

There was nobody in the backseat of any of the jets. The only pilot to eject was the mishap pilot and he was killed. The T-2 did not have 0/0 capability ejection seats and one had to blow the canopy under 75KIAS in order to eject anyway. The two student pilots (one was my former on-wing at VAW-120 and now American Airlines 767 FO) blew their canopies to get out of the aircraft.

[flyingmaniac]

I recently talked to an old school Navy pilot and was told that when he learned the phrase bolter was after they told him after a failed attempt to land on a carrier.

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

I recently talked to an old school Navy pilot and was told that when he learned the phrase bolter was after they told him after a failed attempt to land on a carrier.

Yes, a bolter is missing a wire on landing at the boat. Fortunetly, I have very few

[Superfly7XAF]

I was just watching this on Youtube the other night after the Hultgreen trhead peaked my interest. Just another reason I don't land on ships, much respect for those who do, you guys must have some big onions.

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by Superfly7XAF

I was just watching this on Youtube the other night after the Hultgreen trhead peaked my interest. Just another reason I don't land on ships, much respect for those who do, you guys must have some big onions.

I don't think so, it's all in the training. Most guys/gals who go through make it at the boat. It's a small percentage who don't. Now night carrier landings do suck and are probably the hardest thing I've ever done.

[///AMG]

To add to what Bunk said, you do 250+ field practice landings to a painted "carrier box" (with the fresnel lens) before you ever go to the boat as a student. About 70 of those are graded passes with an LSO.

[kaudbron]

anyone care to share the reasons for the crash, was the student just that far behind the power curve, with an a/c that has a slow spool up time? It looks like he rolled to the right because he tried turning out to the left in the stall. Also, to the guys flying to the boat, do you reference AOA or a/s or both?

[Rhinoflyer]

If memory serves, his AOA gauge was installed backward. It showed him fast (he was actually slow) and paddles told him "work it on-speed" so he got slower and slower and eventually departs. It changed some LSO verbiage, now its "you're fast or you're slow".

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by kaudbron

anyone care to share the reasons for the crash, was the student just that far behind the power curve, with an a/c that has a slow spool up time? It looks like he rolled to the right because he tried turning out to the left in the stall. Also, to the guys flying to the boat, do you reference AOA or a/s or both?

In the C-2 at least, you would cross check AOA with airspeed to ensure all was good.

Originally Posted by Rhinoflyer

If memory serves, his AOA gauge was installed backward. It showed him fast (he was actually slow) and paddles told him "work it on-speed" so he got slower and slower and eventually departs. It changed some LSO verbiage, now its "you're fast or you're slow".

This was the reason.

[///AMG]

In the -45 we do an AOA / fuel load on-speed cross check as part of our landing x-list, and this accident is generally cited as the reason.

[Rhinoflyer]

Originally Posted by ///AMG

In the -45 we do an AOA / fuel load on-speed cross check as part of our landing x-list, and this accident is generally cited as the reason.

All carrier planes do the cross check and they probably did in the T-2 back then. But when you roll into the groove and call the ball for the first time your bucket is pretty much maxed out. I'd guess when he did his cross check on downwind and on-speed everything looked ok. Now you find yourself looking at the back of the ship and are told to "work it on-speed" you're probably not going to cross check your airspeed. It never ceases to amaze me how fast things can go south in this business.

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by Rhinoflyer

All carrier planes do the cross check and they probably did in the T-2 back then. But when you roll into the groove and call the ball for the first time your bucket is pretty much maxed out. I'd guess when he did his cross check on downwind and on-speed everything looked ok. Now you find yourself looking at the back of the ship and are told to "work it on-speed" you're probably not going to cross check your airspeed. It never ceases to amaze me how fast things can go south in this business.

As I recall, he was waved off his first pass so this is his second and last pass ever at the boat. Paddles is lecturing him a bit while on the ball as well...not the place to lecture a stud his first time and second pass at the boat.

[///AMG]

Originally Posted by bunk22

As I recall, he was waved off his first pass so this is his second and last pass ever at the boat. Paddles is lecturing him a bit while on the ball as well...not the place to lecture a stud his first time and second pass at the boat.

That sucks....knowing how little I know at this point, I'd say the same could happen to me (or any of my classmates) just as easily.

[bunk22]

Originally Posted by ///AMG

That sucks....knowing how little I know at this point, I'd say the same could happen to me (or any of my classmates) just as easily.

The whole mishap was a lesson learned. Paddles shouldn't be lecturing you on the ball on your last pass. Upwind or downwind, maybe...quick and brief. In the groove, only the appropriate calls.

[cloudman]

I was amazed by how the deck crew reacted and bounced back to fight the fire.

[flyingmaniac]

Originally Posted by cloudman

I was amazed by how the deck crew reacted and bounced back to fight the fire.

If they run away from the fire, the ship sinks. If they don't run after the fire, the ship sinks.

A bunch of brave individuals willing to give up their life for a little freedom stateside.