Tradewinds RTO

Polar742 · April 1st, 2008, 17:16

They had 3 out of 4 and tried to abort past V1 on a wet runway. Luckily, no one got hurt. (Info from guy that taught G/S there)

coa787 · April 1st, 2008, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Polar742

They had 3 out of 4 and tried to abort past V1 on a wet runway. Luckily, no one got hurt. (Info from guy that taught G/S there)

Do you mean three out of four engines running? I thought that whatever problems you encounter with the aircraft after V1 you take into the air with you.

TallFlyer · April 2nd, 2008, 01:52

The aftermath:

Polar742 · April 2nd, 2008, 09:14

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Originally Posted by coa787

Do you mean three out of four engines running? I thought that whatever problems you encounter with the aircraft after V1 you take into the air with you.

Yes, they only lost 1. You should take it in the air, but they thought they could stop.

Fly safe out there!

USMCmech · April 2nd, 2008, 10:24

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer

The aftermath

The sad thing is that that aircraft had come out of a heavy C check about 6 months earliear.

I personnally X-rayd every Wing attach fittings, all 360 of them.

srleslie · April 2nd, 2008, 13:19

What will happen to the pilot at the controls?? Loss of aircraft because of aborting takeoff after V1 cannot be a good thing for the guy...

coa787 · April 2nd, 2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer

The aftermath:

Aircraft are graceful and majestic machines in the air, but they make for horrible SUV's.

coa787 · April 2nd, 2008, 18:56

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Originally Posted by srleslie

What will happen to the pilot at the controls?? Loss of aircraft because of aborting takeoff after V1 cannot be a good thing for the guy...

I don't know. I've been wondering about that myself.

TallFlyer · April 3rd, 2008, 01:20

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Originally Posted by coa787

Aircraft are graceful and majestic machines in the air, but they make for horrible SUV's.

Eh, not entirely accurate......

But then again I've never seen a 747 with tundra tires.....

coa787 · April 4th, 2008, 22:45

Correction; Airliners are graceful and majestic machines in the air, but they make for horrible SUV's.

LoadMasterC141 · April 5th, 2008, 16:00

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Originally Posted by srleslie

What will happen to the pilot at the controls?? Loss of aircraft because of aborting takeoff after V1 cannot be a good thing for the guy...

Well if I was his boss, and this was a Topgun inspired scenario...I would say
"One more stunt like that and I'll have you flying cargo planes out of Hong Kong!"

But that would probably be something this pilot would LIKE to do :

Honestly though...Everyone survived. Is that not the most important thing? I bet he lost his job for not taking it into the air, but as an onlooker, I have to wonder if aborting was not the right thing. He ensured the survivial of him and his crew. Taking it into the air would have provided more unknowns and not have made survival as much a certainty I would think. Anyway, I am flying 4 seaters right now, so what do I know

falconvalley · April 5th, 2008, 18:44

An abort after V1 could get you and your crew killed. If your aircraft operating procedures dictate that you continue after V1 and you have every reason to believe that the airplane will perform, you need to follow the emergency procedures exactly. If the pilot wasn't following SOP in this accident, the crew was lucky. Taking an airplane into the air after V1 is safer than aborting in the emerg procedures that call for it.

sorrygottarunway · April 7th, 2008, 10:27

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Originally Posted by falconvalley

An abort after V1 could get you and your crew killed. If your aircraft operating procedures dictate that you continue after V1 and you have every reason to believe that the airplane will perform, you need to follow the emergency procedures exactly. If the pilot wasn't following SOP in this accident, the crew was lucky. Taking an airplane into the air after V1 is safer than aborting in the emerg procedures that call for it.

And it isn't always the AMOUNT of runway thats important. Sure, I could be going V1+50kts and still stop before the end if I had 14,000 ft of runway, but there are other things to consider: brake energy being what comes to my mind first (you wouldn't want a brake fire to ruin your day either)

sorrygottarunway · April 7th, 2008, 10:29

ahhh found it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXpjBxD0Rhg

although that was AT V1.

coa787 · April 7th, 2008, 17:08

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Originally Posted by sorrygottarunway

ahhh found it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXpjBxD0Rhg

although that was AT V1.

They had an episode or show on Discovery about that a long time ago; I think it was in 1998 or 1999? I don't know, I was too young to remember the year, but it was a cool episode.

ERfly · April 8th, 2008, 18:02

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Originally Posted by coa787

They had an episode or show on Discovery about that a long time ago; I think it was in 1998 or 1999? I don't know, I was too young to remember the year, but it was a cool episode.

It actually was a PBS, 5 part series, called 21st Century Jet.

coa787 · April 8th, 2008, 19:35

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Originally Posted by ERfly

It actually was a PBS, 5 part series, called 21st Century Jet.

Cool. Thanks.

April 1st, 2008, 17:09	#1
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April 1st, 2008, 17:16	#2
Polar742 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rockledge Posts: 1,090	Re: Tradewinds RTO They had 3 out of 4 and tried to abort past V1 on a wet runway. Luckily, no one got hurt. (Info from guy that taught G/S there) __________________ Hey! It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. - Irwin M Fletcher

April 2nd, 2008, 01:52	#4
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April 2nd, 2008, 13:19	#7
srleslie Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Monticello, AR Posts: 159	Re: Tradewinds RTO What will happen to the pilot at the controls?? Loss of aircraft because of aborting takeoff after V1 cannot be a good thing for the guy...

April 4th, 2008, 22:45	#11
coa787 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,054	Re: Tradewinds RTO Correction; Airliners are graceful and majestic machines in the air, but they make for horrible SUV's.

April 5th, 2008, 18:44	#13
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 1,945	Re: Tradewinds RTO An abort after V1 could get you and your crew killed. If your aircraft operating procedures dictate that you continue after V1 and you have every reason to believe that the airplane will perform, you need to follow the emergency procedures exactly. If the pilot wasn't following SOP in this accident, the crew was lucky. Taking an airplane into the air after V1 is safer than aborting in the emerg procedures that call for it. __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

April 7th, 2008, 10:29	#15
sorrygottarunway Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DXR, Connecticut Posts: 1,169	Re: Tradewinds RTO ahhh found it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXpjBxD0Rhg although that was AT V1. __________________ CFI/CFII/MEI ATP, SF340

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