USAirways... Holy cow

Doug Taylor · March 25th, 2008, 19:53

Holy cow, hack the clock on this thing hitting an iceberg...

surreal1221 · March 25th, 2008, 20:05

Interesting, very interesting.

Who is the female moderator?

cfii2007 · March 25th, 2008, 20:08

That dude should have pulled a Kermit....."You betta recognize...."

Firebird2XC · March 25th, 2008, 20:14

Yeeeeeeeehaw.

Hard to see who's saying what through all that gunsmoke.

Ya know.. I think when Doug Parker said that the way to revitalize the industry was to reduce seat capacity... watching his carrier fold was not how he envisioned it happening.

Nick · March 25th, 2008, 20:16

What a huge mess.

777forever · March 25th, 2008, 20:17

Man its getting ugly over there.

Gonzo · March 25th, 2008, 20:22

Did you see this

jtrain609 · March 25th, 2008, 20:29

Think ExpressJet can pick up some A320's when this all falls apart?

(Do I need the tags?)

Firebird2XC · March 25th, 2008, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Think ExpressJet can pick up some A320's when this all falls apart?

(Do I need the tags?)

I thought you guys were already getting the Skybus airplanes?

surreal1221 · March 25th, 2008, 20:36

Wow. . .Gonzo.

Thanks for that one. What a shocker.

Here's part 6. DT posted what is labeled as part 9.

jtrain609 · March 25th, 2008, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebird2XC

I thought you guys were already getting the Skybus airplanes?

Dang man, I heard we were buying Beagle!

I just can't keep up on the rumors these days.

Firebird2XC · March 25th, 2008, 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Dang man, I heard we were buying Beagle!

I just can't keep up on the rumors these days.

You'll never get my seniority number, Southie!

Northies unite!

Gonzo · March 25th, 2008, 21:04

TonyC

wheelsup · March 25th, 2008, 22:37

The east guys have had a pretty hard road. However I think they are being ridiculously greedy when asking for DOH.

Doug Taylor · March 25th, 2008, 22:43

There are about ten or eleven videos in total. Pretty interesting watch if you've got some time to waste.

Repeat after me folks: "Never Agree to Binding Arbitration".

BobDDuck · March 25th, 2008, 22:46

Say what you want about USAPA, but the -west pilots in that room sure didn't come across as very professional with all the name calling.

EDIT:

And Wheels, they are asking for years of service, not DOH.

surreal1221 · March 25th, 2008, 22:54

I can agree with that.

The heckling did get a bit old after the first 14 minutes. Although, if I were in those guys shoes. . .it'd prolly be pretty dang tough to hold it back.

Not a big fan of seeing the shark of Lee Seham though.

777forever · March 26th, 2008, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Say what you want about USAPA, but the -west pilots in that room sure didn't come across as very professional with all the name calling.

EDIT:

And Wheels, they are asking for years of service, not DOH.

It seems like pilots get real sensitive if someone messes with their seniority. Is it possible to merge two seniority lists together fairly without anyone getting screwed?

wheelsup · March 26th, 2008, 09:44

Heck years of service would seem to me to be almost exactly like DOH, the same windfall for the east guys, because they've been around so much longer. My guess is the west doesn't have many 20 year guys, where as the east has 20 year FO's.How come they haven't considered something like a percentage sort, where as each 1% get slotted next to each other on a combined master list? That would make more sense (and in my mind be fair) to me.

Firebird2XC · March 26th, 2008, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelsup

Heck years of service would seem to me to be almost exactly like DOH, the same windfall for the east guys, because they've been around so much longer. My guess is the west doesn't have many 20 year guys, where as the east has 20 year FO's.How come they haven't considered something like a percentage sort, where as each 1% get slotted next to each other on a combined master list? That would make more sense (and in my mind be fair) to me.

I think they actually did something like that, but if an Eastie's at 10% on the list and he's been there 18 years, and a Westie's 10% equates to 8 years, the Easties would probably scream about that too.

BobDDuck · March 26th, 2008, 10:32

Years of service (as far as I understand it) is how long you have been an ACTIVE pilot. There are guys that have been an -east pilot for 12 years, but spent 8 of those on furlough, so they would be placed next to a 4 year -west pilot.

SIUAv8r · March 26th, 2008, 10:40

So I haven't been following this as close as I probably should be. One question, is USAir still represented by ALPA, and USAPA is trying to take over?

Gonzo · March 26th, 2008, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Years of service (as far as I understand it) is how long you have been an ACTIVE pilot. There are guys that have been an -east pilot for 12 years, but spent 8 of those on furlough, so they would be placed next to a 4 year -west pilot.

There are a few videos of USAPA members talking about DOH not years of service.

SIUAv8r · March 26th, 2008, 10:44

Ok, just answered my own question. Disregard.

Gonzo · March 26th, 2008, 11:03

Sounds like DOH:

March 25th, 2008, 19:53	#1
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,516 Blog Entries: 1	USAirways... Holy cow Holy cow, hack the clock on this thing hitting an iceberg... __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

March 25th, 2008, 20:05	#2
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,264	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Interesting, very interesting. Who is the female moderator? __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

March 25th, 2008, 20:08	#3
cfii2007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,327	Re: USAirways... Holy cow That dude should have pulled a Kermit....."You betta recognize...."

March 25th, 2008, 20:14	#4
Firebird2XC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Big D Posts: 1,488	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Yeeeeeeeehaw. Hard to see who's saying what through all that gunsmoke. Ya know.. I think when Doug Parker said that the way to revitalize the industry was to reduce seat capacity... watching his carrier fold was not how he envisioned it happening. __________________ An economic forecaster is like a cross-eyed javelin thrower: they don't win many accuracy contests, but they keep the crowd's attention. - Bartman - Charlie (credentials in profile)

March 25th, 2008, 20:16	#5
Nick Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,259	Re: USAirways... Holy cow What a huge mess. __________________ Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.

March 25th, 2008, 20:17	#6
777forever Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ATL Posts: 1,875	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Man its getting ugly over there. __________________ Comm-ASEL, MEL, Inst. CFI, CFII, MEI TT: 700 Part 121 ATR72 FO B.S. Aviation Management-Business Minor Southeastern Oklahoma State University Cum Laude Graduate

March 25th, 2008, 20:29	#8
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March 25th, 2008, 20:36	#10
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,264	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Wow. . .Gonzo. Thanks for that one. What a shocker. Here's part 6. DT posted what is labeled as part 9. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

March 25th, 2008, 22:37	#14
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,356	Re: USAirways... Holy cow The east guys have had a pretty hard road. However I think they are being ridiculously greedy when asking for DOH. __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

March 25th, 2008, 22:43	#15
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,516 Blog Entries: 1	Re: USAirways... Holy cow There are about ten or eleven videos in total. Pretty interesting watch if you've got some time to waste. Repeat after me folks: "Never Agree to Binding Arbitration". __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

March 25th, 2008, 22:46	#16
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,554	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Say what you want about USAPA, but the -west pilots in that room sure didn't come across as very professional with all the name calling. EDIT: And Wheels, they are asking for years of service, not DOH. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

March 25th, 2008, 22:54	#17
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,264	Re: USAirways... Holy cow I can agree with that. The heckling did get a bit old after the first 14 minutes. Although, if I were in those guys shoes. . .it'd prolly be pretty dang tough to hold it back. Not a big fan of seeing the shark of Lee Seham though. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

March 26th, 2008, 09:44	#19
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,356	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Heck years of service would seem to me to be almost exactly like DOH, the same windfall for the east guys, because they've been around so much longer. My guess is the west doesn't have many 20 year guys, where as the east has 20 year FO's.How come they haven't considered something like a percentage sort, where as each 1% get slotted next to each other on a combined master list? That would make more sense (and in my mind be fair) to me. __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

March 26th, 2008, 10:32	#21
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,554	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Years of service (as far as I understand it) is how long you have been an ACTIVE pilot. There are guys that have been an -east pilot for 12 years, but spent 8 of those on furlough, so they would be placed next to a 4 year -west pilot. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

March 26th, 2008, 10:40	#22
SIUAv8r Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KSTL Posts: 477	Re: USAirways... Holy cow So I haven't been following this as close as I probably should be. One question, is USAir still represented by ALPA, and USAPA is trying to take over? __________________ Tim

March 26th, 2008, 10:44	#24
SIUAv8r Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KSTL Posts: 477	Re: USAirways... Holy cow Ok, just answered my own question. Disregard. __________________ Tim

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