TU-145

[MarkE]

I don't speak Russian but I think the FO is saying "How am I supposed to land with you yelling at me?!?!"

[taseal]

near the end (-1.05) he tells him that he is being too touchy with the controls, moving the yoke so quick like that doesn't do anything, and tells him not to do that

[Murdoughnut]

Such a beautiful language - yelling everything and all

[falconvalley]

Absolutely crazy. I don't know if the guy in the right seat did anything previous to the video, but what he was doing definitely didn't warrant what the guy in the left seat was doing. I've seen that kind of nonsense in the US, too. Good video for satire though!

[SmoothLanderJ]

What a jerk....I can understand if you have to teach a guy something....but you don't have to be a prick about it. I don't know what was said, but the Captains body language when he moved the controls said a lot. But, I'm sure that kind of stuff goes on in the states too.

[cmsuav8r]

I guess that would qualify as a real world distraction.

[falconvalley]

LOL...

[falconvalley]

Overzealous and angry instructors violate FARs when they get so bent on bringing nit-picky stuff to the student's attention. If you don't pay attention to stuff that's related to safety of flight, you're gonna end up missing an altitude restriction or a traffic advisory, etc...I've seen it happen. The angry-full instructor gets increasingly aggitated at the student for not fixing the little issues immediately and can't keep their head straight.

PATIENCE!!!

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by MarkE

I don't speak Russian but I think the FO is saying "How am I supposed to land with you yelling at me?!?!"

The best is at the end when the Ca takes it and the FO just gives up and starts calling altitudes, then speeds as they roll out.

[FiveO]

That's the Russian version of my old CFI. Yup, it was fun.

[TFaudree_ERAU]

Is that Alexander Graham Bell's version of the OMI tones? And those autothrottles, they look like those automated pianos playing a tune.

[fsiflyer]

That was VERY interesting. I am actually from Russia and found that to be exciting to watch. I even flew on an Aeroflot TU-154 in August from Moscow-Kiev.

I am certain that this was a training flight due to the conversations that were going on. The Russian people are very blunt and forceful so it does not jive with our training standards. Also, don't forget that they do not have Level D sims and most if not all flight training is done in the real aircraft. I urge everyone not to judge to quickly. My experience on Aeroflot and the TU-154 was nothing but excellent and the crew acted professionaly at all times and the flight was enjoyable. The same as any flight on an American A-320 or 737.

[falconvalley]

I understand, but I still saw things that were unacceptable. They weren't doing V1 cuts, they were landing. Grabbing the yoke and mocking the pilot flying (in an exaggerated way) doesn't add anything positive to the learning experience.

[fsiflyer]

I completely agree. That is why we have such superb training and their crews which fly the 767 and Airbus products train here in the U.S. or in France. Superior training produces a superior product. In time CRM will catch up with them and they will become more western in their piloting approach.

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by fsiflyer

That was VERY interesting. I am actually from Russia and found that to be exciting to watch. I even flew on an Aeroflot TU-154 in August from Moscow-Kiev.

I am certain that this was a training flight due to the conversations that were going on. The Russian people are very blunt and forceful so it does not jive with our training standards. Also, don't forget that they do not have Level D sims and most if not all flight training is done in the real aircraft. I urge everyone not to judge to quickly. My experience on Aeroflot and the TU-154 was nothing but excellent and the crew acted professionaly at all times and the flight was enjoyable. The same as any flight on an American A-320 or 737.

Concur. . . and I'm not quick to judge their CRM based upon our standards. We have significant pros to our style of professionalism, but it's a rather subjective to believe it's more or less effective.

[taseal]

Originally Posted by falconvalley

I understand, but I still saw things that were unacceptable. They weren't doing V1 cuts, they were landing. Grabbing the yoke and mocking the pilot flying (in an exaggerated way) doesn't add anything positive to the learning experience.

he is not mocking him. he tells him that doing abrupt movements to the yoke like that does nothing to the plane, and that is what he is trying to prove to the pilot...

[falconvalley]

Originally Posted by taseal

he is not mocking him. he tells him that doing abrupt movements to the yoke like that does nothing to the plane, and that is what he is trying to prove to the pilot...

Possibly. I can see what you're saying. I didn't see much from the right seat. He might have been trying to make small corrections, but unless he's crankin' that thing like a race car I leave it alone as experience will help the most with that. In my experience, the least effective instructors do things like that for the small stuff. They get exasperated about things they can't completely control, like the fact that everyone learns differently.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by falconvalley

Possibly. I can see what you're saying. I didn't see much from the right seat. He might have been trying to make small corrections, but unless he's crankin' that thing like a race car I leave it alone as experience will help the most with that. In my experience, the least effective instructors do things like that for the small stuff. They get exasperated about things they can't completely control, like the fact that everyone learns differently.

Russians think just a little different than us in the realm of instruction. What you may do may work just fine for Americans, Russians, however, may require something different. The Russian language is a much more specific in its useage than english is, and things are much more blunt. If someone says something in Russian, you typically know exactly what they are getting at (especially in terms of verbs of motion but mostly in everything). Russians just communicate a little different than us, its a different culture, what do you expect.

Even after all of that, at the end of the clip as they are setting down, you can here the captain say "molodets." Which is essentially "good job."

[MarkE]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Russians think just a little different than us in the realm of instruction. What you may do may work just fine for Americans, Russians, however, may require something different. The Russian language is a much more specific in its useage than english is, and things are much more blunt. If someone says something in Russian, you typically know exactly what they are getting at (especially in terms of verbs of motion but mostly in everything). Russians just communicate a little different than us, its a different culture, what do you expect.

Even after all of that, at the end of the clip as they are setting down, you can here the captain say "molodets." Which is essentially "good job."

That's for sure. Goes for most of eastern Europe. I have an elderly Romanian couple that live next door to me. You'd swear that they're always at each others throats with all the yelling. But what is yelling to some is normal conversation to others. Sounds even worse when you don't understand the language.

[taseal]

yeah you should see my friend's dad and all them talk...

vladimir.... gotta love that old man he is the funniest, and has the strongest russian accent

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by MarkE

That's for sure. Goes for most of eastern Europe. I have an elderly Romanian couple that live next door to me. You'd swear that they're always at each others throats with all the yelling. But what is yelling to some is normal conversation to others. Sounds even worse when you don't understand the language.

Actually, romanian is a latinate language like french, or spanish or latin. Although it does have some loan words from eastern european languages.

[BillH]

My god, you mean to tell me that instructors are not supposed to act that way? Honestly, I found nothing wrong with the instruction given, but again, I can't understand a single word that was said.