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Old October 7th, 2007, 17:26   #1
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Close mid-air. Camera was mounted so it got the whole thing.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05b_1191772372

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I think that would have been a pretty good time to go around. Instead he followed the other plane in for a few than I'm assuming went around.
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Old October 7th, 2007, 17:38   #2
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Close mid-air. Camera was mounted so it got the whole thing.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05b_1191772372

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I think that would have been a pretty good time to go around. Instead he followed the other plane in for a few than I'm assuming went around.
Damn, somebody needs a beatdown! I don't know what field that was, but it might have been uncontrolled and the other plane could have been negative comms.

Did you see the video underneath it, "Fat induced Wheelie"??
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Old October 7th, 2007, 18:01   #3
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I had something similar happen to me TWICE in the same pattern thanks to a brain-dead CAP pilot. First he cut me off in the downwind and didn't answer a single one of my three radio calls. I did a right 360 to space us and lost him in the sun as it was late evening. Well it turns out he was merely playing around and not flying the published pattern so when I was on final he cut inside me from a short base to short final, again not answering or making a single call. I went around, came back, and landed uneventfully. When I approached him he was with three cadets and his excuse was: "Sorry, I had my comms turned down so we could hear each other."

Needless to say I lost a lot of respect for CAP that evening.
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Needless to say I lost a lot of respect for CAP that evening.
Would it not make more sense to lose respect for that Captain? Was the entire CAP somehow in that aircraft??
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Would it not make more sense to lose respect for that Captain? Was the entire CAP somehow in that aircraft??
You're right, you're exactly right but its that whole "painted by the same brush" thing. I've since done a little volunteering with CAP and have a good friend who is heavily involved but I'm still suspicious about their weekend warriors.
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You're right, you're exactly right but its that whole "painted by the same brush" thing. I've since done a little volunteering with CAP and have a good friend who is heavily involved but I'm still suspicious about their weekend warriors.
Are you suspicious of yourself??
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Are you suspicious of yourself??
Always!

Besides, I've never flown for them. I only taught ground school and communications/pattern procedures are way up there on my list!
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The comments are amusing.

Educate me here - upon being cut off by the other aircraft, did the camera-plane pilot do the right thing? Should he have executed an immediate turn (and which direction?) or what?

I realize I'll learn this eventually but I'm curious NOW.
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The comments are amusing.

Educate me here - upon being cut off by the other aircraft, did the camera-plane pilot do the right thing? Should he have executed an immediate turn (and which direction?) or what?

I realize I'll learn this eventually but I'm curious NOW.
At that distance the proper response would have been to go to guns!
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Old October 8th, 2007, 00:33   #10
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Ah, thats nuthin'. Try entering the pattern at RYN the week after a batch of AITA students get cut loose to solo...
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At that distance the proper response would have been to go to guns!
That's funny!

But - seriously. I want to know. What's the right thing to do in that situation?
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Not quite the voice of experience here, but I'll give it a go...

The other plane is now in front of you, so they have the right of way. That's the first thing. Next, say you're at an uncontrolled airport, I'd slow a little if possible, fly my heading for a moment, see what that numbskull is doing. Communicate... and turn to rejoin downwind when the situation (if there is other pattern traffic) allows.

Controlled airspace would be completely different, except for the fact that the other plane is now in front of you, so you need to avoid him. I'm guessing that tower would be all over it. But in case tower isn't catching on, I would maintain altitude and heading, then communicate with tower.

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That's funny!

But - seriously. I want to know. What's the right thing to do in that situation?
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Old October 8th, 2007, 01:12   #13
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Thats the best outcome that will happen to you if you continue to land without clearances.

The sad thing is the numbskull that did that probably has no idea how close he came to meeting his maker.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 12:16   #14
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I almost got landed on about a year ago at uncontrolled Lone Star Executive Airport (KCXO) in Conroe, TX.

It was night and I had announced on CTAF that I was going to take the active runway 14 for departure. I had been listening to the frequency for the entire taxi & run-up. I was just about to apply full power when I noticed a landing light turning from base to final for 32. I just sat there for a bit and watched. I double checked my rotating beacon & nav lights, and even flashed my landing lights a few times. Sure enough, the guy was coming in, so I just pulled off the next intersection (just happened to be the beginning of runway 19), waited there, and watched. The guy rolled up and stopped very close to where I was waiting. I wondered if maybe my radio was even working, so I called for a "radio check". Nothing. Called for another "radio check". I then heard a very nervous, "uhhh... sorry about that" response. After a few choice words, I safely departed runway 19 (after a vigilant search of the departure path ahead).
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The video should have ended with him beating that other guy's ass. That would have been the cherry on top.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 07:49   #16
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The camera plane might be at fault too. Looked to me like he was either flying straight in or did one hell of a huge pattern.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 15:58   #17
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The right thing to do is to add power, and go arround, get out of there, you can reasonably assume that that guy is going to continue to land.


Similarly, I landed in Aniak about 4 months ago, made all my callouts, everything I did was right, and as i'm rolling out, I look up, and there's a 207 on short final. I called, told him to go around, I actually turned arround, and back taxied to get out of the way, and hte guy landed and taxied off, he said his radio was tuned to the wrong freq. when I talked to him.
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