Video of Drug Smugglers Shot down

[FiveO]

Originally Posted by Chewie von Nubbins

PS - FiveO, I saw your post on my PPL thread, and it brought a tear to my eye. Mad love for you homie.

Once a homie... always a homie! I'm in dis fo life.

[SD3Dog]

He could have complied but he decided to run. His call and he paid for it.

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by BajtheJino

Yeah, you might be too young to recall Reagan declaring a WAR ON DRUGS back in the day. Let us not be so naive to think that a plane, flying at tree top level going below radar level in the remote jungles of Columbia is a happy family out for a photo shoot. Its obvious from the audio that the plane has been interdicted and they still won't turn back. Why wouldnt you just wait for them to land? THEYRE GOING OVER THE BORDER! Take a look at the countries surrounding Columbia...hmmm.

My only question to you would be this: Have you ever known someone that was addicted to cocaine? I'm not talking about some frat boys buying too much baking powder on Saturday night. I'm talking true drug addiction. It destroys them, their families and their communities. Summary execution. Sure, why not.

You believe in wealth redistribution too, don't you...And that corporate CEO's are evil people?

Oh yeah, I remember that. It's done a lot of good too. How many billions of dollars have we spent on 'The War on Drugs?' Drugs are as prevalent today as they were 20 years ago. This is a ridiculous effort. Use that money to improve conditions here in the US. Billions wasted! We could implement a national health care system, improve housing for the homeless, etc.....

The War on Drugs is a joke! Sorry Five O....no offense to you personally but we will NEVER stop drug use or trafficking. The money would be better spent by legalizing most recreational drugs and providing support networks for those who 'abuse' these drugs. It's would reduce the black market control of the substances, improve quality of the drugs. Instead of wondering how much formaldehyde or other dangerous chemicals are in street drugs.....we'd get them from government-sponsored drug manufacturers. They'd be much safer (relatively-of course).

Did I mention THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A JOKE and COMPLETE WAIST OF NATIONAL RESOURCES!

[Doug Taylor]

Calm down there, Sparky! You do realize this was "necroposted", eh?

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Calm down there, Sparky! You do realize this was "necroposted", eh?

Hehe.....yeah, but only by a couple months......not years necrotic!

[Doug Taylor]

I guess we need a term for not quite necrotic, but well past freshly flat-lined!

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by SD3Dog

He could have complied but he decided to run. His call and he paid for it.

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I guess we need a term for not quite necrotic, but well past freshly flat-lined!

Perhaps we could call this one 'Zombified!' Since the SD3 post was fresh (Sept. 5)......he's the culprit bringing the post to 'undead' status!!!

[NickH]

The war on drugs, like the war on terror, are simply a part of the republican strategy to manipulate the American people, and 'success' was never and is not the objective.

[esa17]

Originally Posted by darrenf

Still does not justify FiveO killing them. Don't get me wrong, I am not upset if a drug smuggler is no longer walking amongst us, I just don't think they should be taken out without trial.

Yeah...it kinda does.

Law enforcement all over the world has the right to use deadly force when the situation allows and this case certainly qualifies. I highly doubt the crashed airplane was shot down without warning. This is no different than the cops using stopsticks or shooting out the tires in a car chase with one exception, in aviation we have a much more narrow safety envelope. I'm sure this actor was given ample opportunity to surrender but he placed the officers in the position of having to make a choice and when you do that you're going to lose, plain and simple. I'm saddened by the hull lose, not the loss of life because as far as I'm concerned this pilot(s) made the choice to be shot down. If a dealer were to be shot trying to escape over the California/Mexico border I doubt you'd have the same reaction as you're having now.

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by NickH

The war on drugs, like the war on terror, are simply a part of the republican strategy to manipulate the American people, and 'success' was never and is not the objective.

Isn't that the truth! I suspect we will never actually 'get/ kill' OBL. Because then we'd have to create a new evil. It's not in the current government's best interest. As long as they can say 'Oh, but we need to continue this crusade against the 9/11 mastermind,' the easily influenced masses will support our wasting of American resources (monetary or manpower) overseas.

[FiveO]

Originally Posted by Cruise

The War on Drugs is a joke! Sorry Five O....no offense to you personally but we will NEVER stop drug use or trafficking. The money would be better spent by legalizing most recreational drugs and providing support networks for those who 'abuse' these drugs. It's would reduce the black market control of the substances, improve quality of the drugs. Instead of wondering how much formaldehyde or other dangerous chemicals are in street drugs.....we'd get them from government-sponsored drug manufacturers. They'd be much safer (relatively-of course).

Did I mention THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A JOKE and COMPLETE WAIST OF NATIONAL RESOURCES!

Not taken. Obviously we will never win the war on drugs. Everyone knows that. I do feel that with each one of these planes shot down we can at least slow down the process of them reaching our streets.

If we were to give in and legalize some of these drugs, everyone would take that and run with it. I think they would think they won with getting "A" drugs legalized and want to work on getting "B" legalized until the got all the way to "Z". We need to stand strong and hold our grounds. Yes, this will continue to supply the illegal methods of getting drugs, but at least it wont be as easy as buying them anywhere.

Reading back over all of this, I don't know if it even makes sense. If it doesn't, sorry for the 2 minutes of your life you will never get back for reading it.

[MFT1Air]

Reading back over all of this, I don't know if it even makes sense. If it doesn't, sorry for the 2 minutes of your life you will never get back for reading it.

Unacceptable!! All is forgiven though, for I'm not flying right now. I'm watching my third episode of COPS on G4. A routine "traffic stop" netted a significant drug bust.

. . .one step at a time, it works.

[FiveO]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

Unacceptable!! All is forgiven though, for I'm not flying right now. I'm watching my third episode of COPS on G4. A routine "traffic stop" netted a significant drug bust.

. . .one step at a time, it works.

Ahahahahah

[fsiflyer]

I wish I could scan a picture I have from when I was in the military. We were on anti drug interdiction operations in a certain unspecified country with unspecified friendly forces when we came up on a column of vehicles which were suspected of carrying cocaine. We launched a full barrage of TOW missiles at them. Started with the lead and last vehicle and finished everything in between. Whole thing took about 90 seconds. I have a picture of the TOW missile leaving the tube on launch. Looks pretty awesome.

Anyhow, after the (one sided) firefight ended we did an assault assessment and found hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) worth of cocaine. Best part...no press. Just a pat on the back, a cold one at the shack and go out and do it again tomorrow. I consider that due process.

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by fsiflyer

I wish I could scan a picture I have from when I was in the military. We were on anti drug interdiction operations in a certain unspecified country with unspecified friendly forces when we came up on a column of vehicles which were suspected of carrying cocaine. We launched a full barrage of TOW missiles at them. Started with the lead and last vehicle and finished everything in between. Whole thing took about 90 seconds. I have a picture of the TOW missile leaving the tube on launch. Looks pretty awesome.

Anyhow, after the (one sided) firefight ended we did an assault assessment and found hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) worth of cocaine. Best part...no press. Just a pat on the back, a cold one at the shack and go out and do it again tomorrow. I consider that due process.

Yep, and I bet we would never hear of this if the column was a wrongly suspected family moving towards a better life either.

[fsiflyer]

Originally Posted by darrenf

Yep, and I bet we would never hear of this if the column was a wrongly suspected family moving towards a better life either.

You would never really hear of this regardless. The media only puts out small snippets of information regarding the war on drugs. Most of the information is highly sensitive. Heck in this case all you got was the story of an unknown person. Other than the people who personally know me on this site I may be full of crud with my story.

By the way, a family moving towards a better way of life do not move as a convoy with armed personnel, and in vehicles that are armored. I am certain that we in the military, the federal services, and local police departments can tell the difference between drug smugglers and Jose, Maria, and the kids trying to get across the border. Plus we were no where near the U.S. border.
*No offense to any S. American immigrant family with those names or similar names or anyone else for that matter. I myself come from an immigrant family.

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by fsiflyer

By the way, a family moving towards a better way of life do not move as a convoy with armed personnel, and in vehicles that are armored. I am certain that we in the military, the federal services, and local police departments can tell the difference between drug smugglers and Jose, Maria, and the kids trying to get across the border. Plus we were no where near the U.S. border.
*No offense to any S. American immigrant family with those names or similar names or anyone else for that matter. I myself come from an immigrant family.

Yeah, we never drop bombs on the innocent or even our own! You still certain??

[ppragman]

ya know, I have a problem with us being involved in it. If it were columbians, or brazilians doing the dirty work, then fine, their country, their laws, their authority. Us providing the survailance is a little disquieting (though I am no less happy that we stopped the stuff from hitting the street somewhere).

and yes, I do think that wealth should be redistributed (i'm serious, this isn't a flame war starter I hope)...

[fsiflyer]

Do accidents happen? Of course they do. Do we intentionally hit our own people? That's a bit of a conspiracy theory but who knows I may be wrong. As far as operations in Central America they are legal, authorized, and in some small way effective.

[darrenf]

Just released, new video of same incident.....

[esa17]

The resemblance is uncanny...

[ETAV8R]

Originally Posted by darrenf

I think you are missing the point. It has long been the U.S.'s stance to hold a moral high ground when dealing with situations around the world...

Are you serious? I don't have time to do the research for you right now but if you truly feel the U.S.of A practices on the moral high ground you are mistaken. We do not practice what we preach. We do claim to work from a moral high ground but our politics have a long history of achieving our goals by any means necessary.
Let no one here misconstrue my comments as un-patriotic. I have served our country thank you. Our recent history within our borders is sad to say the least. Our Constitution is in jeopardy and no one cares to concern themselves with this fact.
I find it funny, and very sad, that you worry about due process in another country when we don't even have it in ours anymore.

Bad guys: 0
Good guys: 1

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by eta71

Are you serious? I don't have time to do the research for you right now but if you truly feel the U.S.of A practices on the moral high ground you are mistaken. We do not practice what we preach. We do claim to work from a moral high ground but our politics have a long history of achieving our goals by any means necessary.
Let no one here misconstrue my comments as un-patriotic. I have served our country thank you. Our recent history within our borders is sad to say the least. Our Constitution is in jeopardy and no one cares to concern themselves with this fact.
I find it funny, and very sad, that you worry about due process in another country when we don't even have it in ours anymore.

Bad guys: 0
Good guys: 1

Dude, no kidding we do not practice what we preach. I offer this video as evidence. Black Water is just the latest example. Do you think my attention is so narrow that I don't know that due process has been chipped away at here as well as there? For someone that has been here for almost 4 years, I would think you would know better.

[esa17]

A nifty little read:

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html

By little I mean you're going to be there a while.

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by esa17

A nifty little read:

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html

By little I mean you're going to be there a while.

and damn you liberal cheapskate sons of bitches, I demand my equal time.

Uhh, no, I won't.