Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go

PropDriver · September 12th, 2009, 19:11

Here's the scenario: You're the first airplane among many on the arrival during the 6PM arrival bank. The hub airport you're flying into has a very hard time handling all the traffic and always has speed restrictions. Today you're told to fly as fast as possible.

You're descending through 12,000 about 50 miles from the airport when the burrito you ate for lunch tells your body "it's time". You do have a lav and FA onboard so you can leave the cockpit.

It will be 30 minutes until you arrive at the gate and the pax deboard. If you ask for a delay vector, it usually takes 20-30 minutes of holding until center can make a big enough gap to fit you in.

What do you do and why?

Edit: Clear day, no alternate filed, and approaching min fuel

minitour · September 12th, 2009, 20:52

Is this an urgent situation worthy of my 91.3 PIC authority if necessary or can I hold it with just some discomfort and hand off the flying to the other guy?

-mini

Scandinavian13 · September 12th, 2009, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by minitour

Is this an urgent situation worthy of my 91.3 PIC authority if necessary or can I hold it with just some discomfort and hand off the flying to the other guy?

Clearly you've never had a burrito from Armando's...

flyingmaniac · September 13th, 2009, 00:30

Do the hold and let the burrito go!

Scandinavian13 · September 13th, 2009, 00:55

Wait.
Is this an RJ where you'd be doing the walk of shame all the way from the back? I mean if it's one with a lav at the front, you could at least avoid eye contact and dart in there, have the FO make a brief and vague announcement while you're in there, and then dart back up. If not, I guess your only consolation is that you don't really have to look people in the eye while walking the whole way back up to the flight deck.

I guess you have to weigh the pain and pride issues. If pride is big, you could wait and save the passengers some time, but you know that this is the one time in the last month the gate agent can't work the jet bridge, the bathroom is halfway down the concourse, and the sit stalls are all taken. Murphy sucks.

minitour · September 13th, 2009, 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scandinavian13

Clearly you've never had a burrito from Armando's...

Who's Armando?

-mini

ajf005 · September 13th, 2009, 01:19

20-30 min is a long time, on a clear day the other pilot should be able to handle things just fine. Long story short, I'll see ya in 5-10

jonnydwolf · September 13th, 2009, 02:40

http://www.us.depend.com/

Doug Taylor · September 13th, 2009, 02:43

Go!

I made the mistake of not going 30 miles out from landing, then ended up going missed approach because an (unnamed airline) pulled onto the runway at FLL.

"I'm going back now or I'm crapping my pants. You have no choice."

GlenA · September 13th, 2009, 02:47

I figure once you are getting the "meat sweats" the decision is already made for you.

Scandinavian13 · September 13th, 2009, 05:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by minitour

Who's Armando?

-mini

It's a mexican food place (note the absence of restaurant) similar to Alberto's (referenced here) in Phoenix. Small, local chain-type deal. Just like Doug said in the linked post, it's more of a 3AM post-drinking excursion than a lunch run and for a reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnydwolf

http://www.us.depend.com/

I was going to go down that route, but thought that was still more a NASA thing...

Van_Hoolio · September 13th, 2009, 12:35

Another option would be to land and then tell ground you need to pull off somewhere before continuing to the gate. "The captain is in a state of discomfort.."

flywithUS · September 14th, 2009, 04:51

Chop and drop man...and I'm not talking about the airplane!

yoman793 · September 14th, 2009, 14:31

let that turd loose!

gatorbuc99 · September 14th, 2009, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Go!

I made the mistake of not going 30 miles out from landing, then ended up going missed approach because an (unnamed airline) pulled onto the runway at FLL.

"I'm going back now or I'm crapping my pants. You have no choice."

Whoa, you were at the pointy end of the touch and go deal a coupla years back? The really publicized near miss with the UNnamed aIrline when ThE crew Didn't pay attention and wandered across rwy 9?

mshunter · September 14th, 2009, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by flywithUS

Plop and chop man...and I'm not talking about the airplane!

Fixed it fer ya.

smig · September 17th, 2009, 15:06

I'd say it's time to punch out.

Based on past experience, the amount of delay you can expect is directly proportional to the amount of pressure on the rear outflow valve.

skysnake · September 17th, 2009, 17:53

Prairie Doggin' sucks in an airplane...let er rip!!!

JordanD · September 17th, 2009, 18:14

Reach for the bag hanging behind you.

Oh, you're not talking about Amerijet?

zmiller4 · September 17th, 2009, 19:34

I (well, my captain) had an almost identical situation right off IOE. Anticipated holding at the the IAF of a mountainous airport's ILS, weather below mins and not getting any better. The captain had to go (didn't ask which form), but it was a tough decision either way...if the weather came up for 10 minutes, we were in...if not, we were diverting and wouldn't be on the ground for 40 minutes. Could have been really bad either way. Tuned out to be an epically good call, as the weather stayed down and we held and diverted with the captain in total comfort.

viper548 · September 22nd, 2009, 17:40

1. Carry some immodium AD in your flight bag.
2. Avoid eating airport food.

BrewMaster · September 22nd, 2009, 22:11

Is it legal to carry a "honeypot" in the cockpit for exactly this situation?

BillPerryCFI · September 22nd, 2009, 22:19

Yeah but Kyle man those sausage breakfast burrito's from Armandos are just so good...Hot weather + turbulence + touch and go's...uhhhh

Murdoughnut · September 23rd, 2009, 16:51

Eat healthier and you guys would be able to hold it. In the 15-years I've been employed, I've never once had to drop a deuce at work. I'm not s* you (pun intended)

Mike H · September 25th, 2009, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by minitour

Is this an urgent situation worthy of my 91.3 PIC authority if necessary or can I hold it with just some discomfort and hand off the flying to the other guy?

-mini

Depends whether or not the turtle is poking it's head out.

September 12th, 2009, 19:11	#1
PropDriver Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 36	Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Here's the scenario: You're the first airplane among many on the arrival during the 6PM arrival bank. The hub airport you're flying into has a very hard time handling all the traffic and always has speed restrictions. Today you're told to fly as fast as possible. You're descending through 12,000 about 50 miles from the airport when the burrito you ate for lunch tells your body "it's time". You do have a lav and FA onboard so you can leave the cockpit. It will be 30 minutes until you arrive at the gate and the pax deboard. If you ask for a delay vector, it usually takes 20-30 minutes of holding until center can make a big enough gap to fit you in. What do you do and why? Edit: Clear day, no alternate filed, and approaching min fuel Last edited by PropDriver; September 12th, 2009 at 19:33.

September 12th, 2009, 20:52	#2
minitour Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: . Posts: 4,232	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Is this an urgent situation worthy of my 91.3 PIC authority if necessary or can I hold it with just some discomfort and hand off the flying to the other guy? -mini __________________ McDonalds won't have me. AT&T Wireless won't acknowledge my resume. ...there has to be something out there for me. No, I'm not joking.

September 13th, 2009, 00:30	#4
flyingmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle Ten I See Posts: 1,242	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Do the hold and let the burrito go! __________________ http://www.SellPart135.com http://heartbreakridge.mybrute.com People suffer because of desire. ^Rev. Run

September 13th, 2009, 00:55	#5
Scandinavian13 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Centreville Posts: 641	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Wait. Is this an RJ where you'd be doing the walk of shame all the way from the back? I mean if it's one with a lav at the front, you could at least avoid eye contact and dart in there, have the FO make a brief and vague announcement while you're in there, and then dart back up. If not, I guess your only consolation is that you don't really have to look people in the eye while walking the whole way back up to the flight deck. I guess you have to weigh the pain and pride issues. If pride is big, you could wait and save the passengers some time, but you know that this is the one time in the last month the gate agent can't work the jet bridge, the bathroom is halfway down the concourse, and the sit stalls are all taken. Murphy sucks. __________________ Kyle

September 13th, 2009, 01:19	#7
ajf005 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MSY Posts: 176	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go 20-30 min is a long time, on a clear day the other pilot should be able to handle things just fine. Long story short, I'll see ya in 5-10

September 13th, 2009, 02:40	#8
jonnydwolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Beaverton Posts: 32	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go http://www.us.depend.com/

September 13th, 2009, 02:43	#9
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Go! I made the mistake of not going 30 miles out from landing, then ended up going missed approach because an (unnamed airline) pulled onto the runway at FLL. "I'm going back now or I'm crapping my pants. You have no choice." __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

September 13th, 2009, 02:47	#10
GlenA Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: here, there, everywhere Posts: 196	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go I figure once you are getting the "meat sweats" the decision is already made for you. __________________ Imaging my face off.

September 13th, 2009, 12:35	#12
Van_Hoolio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Des Moines, Iowa (based in EWR) Posts: 1,171	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Another option would be to land and then tell ground you need to pull off somewhere before continuing to the gate. "The captain is in a state of discomfort.." __________________ www.ClearedToDream.org

September 14th, 2009, 04:51	#13
flywithUS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 410	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Chop and drop man...and I'm not talking about the airplane!

September 14th, 2009, 14:31	#14
yoman793 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: KTLH Posts: 236	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go let that turd loose!

September 17th, 2009, 15:06	#17
smig Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: ok Posts: 56	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go I'd say it's time to punch out. Based on past experience, the amount of delay you can expect is directly proportional to the amount of pressure on the rear outflow valve.

September 17th, 2009, 17:53	#18
skysnake Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 57	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Prairie Doggin' sucks in an airplane...let er rip!!!

September 17th, 2009, 18:14	#19
JordanD Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: LUHLVUHL! (Louisville) Posts: 1,005	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Reach for the bag hanging behind you. Oh, you're not talking about Amerijet? __________________

September 17th, 2009, 19:34	#20
zmiller4 Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,703	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go I (well, my captain) had an almost identical situation right off IOE. Anticipated holding at the the IAF of a mountainous airport's ILS, weather below mins and not getting any better. The captain had to go (didn't ask which form), but it was a tough decision either way...if the weather came up for 10 minutes, we were in...if not, we were diverting and wouldn't be on the ground for 40 minutes. Could have been really bad either way. Tuned out to be an epically good call, as the weather stayed down and we held and diverted with the captain in total comfort. __________________

September 22nd, 2009, 17:40	#21
viper548 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 822	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go 1. Carry some immodium AD in your flight bag. 2. Avoid eating airport food.

September 22nd, 2009, 22:11	#22
BrewMaster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: KC/The Good Life Posts: 1,038	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Is it legal to carry a "honeypot" in the cockpit for exactly this situation? __________________ Flight is the only truly new sensation than men have achieved in modern history.

September 22nd, 2009, 22:19	#23
BillPerryCFI Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 49	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Yeah but Kyle man those sausage breakfast burrito's from Armandos are just so good...Hot weather + turbulence + touch and go's...uhhhh __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI, FAA 141 Check Instructor

September 23rd, 2009, 16:51	#24
Murdoughnut Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 5,509	Re: Descending through 12,000 and you gotta go Eat healthier and you guys would be able to hold it. In the 15-years I've been employed, I've never once had to drop a deuce at work. I'm not s* you (pun intended) __________________ Check out my fledgling photography blog ... http://bluesideupphotos.blogspot.com/

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