A late night departure...

I_Money · December 17th, 2003, 22:57

from LAX bound to JFK. All is going well, you have a nice afternoon nap, the weather enroute seems perfect, it is your last trip of the month with a great FO, it looks like it is going to be an enjoyable day at the office.

All the passengers have board and have started to settle in so they can go to sleep after departure. Just before the door closes the head flight attendant runs up to the cockpit and your worst nightmare has become a reality.

You are a captain on a night flight, and the coffee machine is broken - what would you do??

donttouchanything · December 17th, 2003, 23:20

Roll Fire and rescue, deploy emergency evacuation chutes, deplane. Call it a night.

Kristie · December 17th, 2003, 23:22

well - i'd get it fixed.. pronto!!

altho there was one flight where the video was broken and the girls had to do the "procedures" manually... in that case, they did not fix the video before takeoff...on a 5 hr flight - that's sad!!

FlyChicaga · December 17th, 2003, 23:33

Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker.

JEP · December 18th, 2003, 05:25

Uhh, Folks we have an electrical problem. It will be fixed momentarily. THen the FO grabs the thermos and runs back into the apt to go to Starbucks for a refill.

John_Jones · December 18th, 2003, 14:16

Well I dont drink coffee anymore. I'd probally just drink a little coke since I cant get liquored up before operating.

TheFlyingTurkey · December 18th, 2003, 14:40

It's funny you posted this scenario. In FLYING's January issue, Capt. Les Abend writes about this topic in his Jumpseat column. Its a great insight on how some people have poor work ethics, and others go out of their way for good customer service.

I do what Capt. Abend did.

MQAAord · December 18th, 2003, 15:39

When I was doing transcons with AA on our 767s we had 8 coffee pots on board. I had a couple flights where we went with one inop, but it wasn't often. They're really easy to replace, the whole unit just comes out from the galley, and the mechanics would simply plug a new one in and we'd go. Obviously we would never delay a flight for it, because there were so many, but if we caught it early enough to call MX they'd always come replace it.

I_Money · December 18th, 2003, 17:16

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Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker.

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But remember safe operation of flight - can a crew operate an aircraft safely at night without a coffee machine????

FlyChicaga · December 18th, 2003, 17:36

Sure, I mean they have Mountain Dew, Pepsi... etc.

flyguy · December 19th, 2003, 14:59

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Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker.

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But remember safe operation of flight - can a crew operate an aircraft safely at night without a coffee machine????

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Nope, we're talking mega air-rage. I think this situation could be more dangerous than someone with a gun on board. We've all seen the movie Airplane. Remember what happened when the FA announced they were out of coffee? It could happen.

I_Money · December 19th, 2003, 18:15

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Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker.

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But remember safe operation of flight - can a crew operate an aircraft safely at night without a coffee machine????

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Nope, we're talking mega air-rage. I think this situation could be more dangerous than someone with a gun on board. We've all seen the movie Airplane. Remember what happened when the FA announced they were out of coffee? It could happen.

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Good Point!!!

Minuteman · December 19th, 2003, 22:16

Anyone brave enough to try a self-heating can of coffee? If you are, let me know if you can still feel anyting afterwards.

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I_Money · December 19th, 2003, 22:38

^^ That is not what I would want to take into a pressurized aircraft!

MQAAord · December 20th, 2003, 17:45

It's also not a good idea to take the wire off a bottle of champage and then set it in the galley to 'open later'. I flew with a girl who did that, by the time I saw what she'd done, I couldn't get to the bottle in time, and it blew it's cork and spilled everywhere. Scared the crap out of everyone all the way back to row 10. Even the pilots called back and were a little 'curious' as to what the loud BANG was. At least this was pre-9/11 so nobody freaked out too much.

I_Money · December 21st, 2003, 02:50

Geez why take the wire off without opening it and drinking it - that seems silly!

TheFlyingTurkey · December 22nd, 2003, 14:43

She must have been blonde?

Masterchief · March 25th, 2004, 21:09

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Nope, we're talking mega air-rage. I think this situation could be more dangerous than someone with a gun on board. We've all seen the movie Airplane. Remember what happened when the FA announced they were out of coffee? It could happen.

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true true.. Then, we could always inflate the "automatic pilot" since I don't think he drinks coffee.

FNG · July 2nd, 2004, 23:25

LMAO

Just hope and pray you don't have to re-inflate him while the captain is watching...

FNG · July 2nd, 2004, 23:27

I just realized that this is a really old posting...

LOL

jtrain609 · July 3rd, 2004, 11:15

It's cool, that's why your the FNG

cimepilot · August 20th, 2004, 22:40

You probably will have to MEL it! If it is onbaord the aircraft, it is required to be working.

flyhigh · August 27th, 2004, 20:14

how about Instant Coffee [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

December 17th, 2003, 22:57	#1
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,639	A late night departure... from LAX bound to JFK. All is going well, you have a nice afternoon nap, the weather enroute seems perfect, it is your last trip of the month with a great FO, it looks like it is going to be an enjoyable day at the office. All the passengers have board and have started to settle in so they can go to sleep after departure. Just before the door closes the head flight attendant runs up to the cockpit and your worst nightmare has become a reality. You are a captain on a night flight, and the coffee machine is broken - what would you do??

December 17th, 2003, 23:20	#2
donttouchanything Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California (I\'m a hostage) but Michigan is home. Posts: 404	Re: A late night departure... Roll Fire and rescue, deploy emergency evacuation chutes, deplane. Call it a night.

December 17th, 2003, 23:22	#3
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,574 Blog Entries: 3	Re: A late night departure... well - i'd get it fixed.. pronto!! altho there was one flight where the video was broken and the girls had to do the "procedures" manually... in that case, they did not fix the video before takeoff...on a 5 hr flight - that's sad!!

December 17th, 2003, 23:33	#4
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,743	Re: A late night departure... Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker.

December 18th, 2003, 05:25	#5
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,421 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A late night departure... Uhh, Folks we have an electrical problem. It will be fixed momentarily. THen the FO grabs the thermos and runs back into the apt to go to Starbucks for a refill.

December 18th, 2003, 14:16	#6
John_Jones Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 329	Re: A late night departure... Well I dont drink coffee anymore. I'd probally just drink a little coke since I cant get liquored up before operating.

December 18th, 2003, 14:40	#7
TheFlyingTurkey Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 2,694	Re: A late night departure... It's funny you posted this scenario. In FLYING's January issue, Capt. Les Abend writes about this topic in his Jumpseat column. Its a great insight on how some people have poor work ethics, and others go out of their way for good customer service. I do what Capt. Abend did.

December 18th, 2003, 15:39	#8
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,615	Re: A late night departure... When I was doing transcons with AA on our 767s we had 8 coffee pots on board. I had a couple flights where we went with one inop, but it wasn't often. They're really easy to replace, the whole unit just comes out from the galley, and the mechanics would simply plug a new one in and we'd go. Obviously we would never delay a flight for it, because there were so many, but if we caught it early enough to call MX they'd always come replace it.

December 18th, 2003, 17:16	#9
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,639	Re: A late night departure... [ QUOTE ] Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker. [/ QUOTE ] But remember safe operation of flight - can a crew operate an aircraft safely at night without a coffee machine????

December 18th, 2003, 17:36	#10
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,743	Re: A late night departure... Sure, I mean they have Mountain Dew, Pepsi... etc.

December 19th, 2003, 14:59	#11
flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,071	Re: A late night departure... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker. [/ QUOTE ] But remember safe operation of flight - can a crew operate an aircraft safely at night without a coffee machine???? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, we're talking mega air-rage. I think this situation could be more dangerous than someone with a gun on board. We've all seen the movie Airplane. Remember what happened when the FA announced they were out of coffee? It could happen.

December 19th, 2003, 18:15	#12
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,639	Re: A late night departure... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Haha, I don't think it's a required item. And considering on LAX to JFK they probably have 10 of them, not going to be a major problem. There isn't an MEL for a coffee maker. [/ QUOTE ] But remember safe operation of flight - can a crew operate an aircraft safely at night without a coffee machine???? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, we're talking mega air-rage. I think this situation could be more dangerous than someone with a gun on board. We've all seen the movie Airplane. Remember what happened when the FA announced they were out of coffee? It could happen. [/ QUOTE ] Good Point!!!

December 19th, 2003, 22:16	#13
Minuteman Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,362 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A late night departure... Anyone brave enough to try a self-heating can of coffee? If you are, let me know if you can still feel anyting afterwards. .

December 19th, 2003, 22:38	#14
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,639	Re: A late night departure... ^^ That is not what I would want to take into a pressurized aircraft!

December 20th, 2003, 17:45	#15
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,615	Re: A late night departure... It's also not a good idea to take the wire off a bottle of champage and then set it in the galley to 'open later'. I flew with a girl who did that, by the time I saw what she'd done, I couldn't get to the bottle in time, and it blew it's cork and spilled everywhere. Scared the crap out of everyone all the way back to row 10. Even the pilots called back and were a little 'curious' as to what the loud BANG was. At least this was pre-9/11 so nobody freaked out too much.

December 21st, 2003, 02:50	#16
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,639	Re: A late night departure... Geez why take the wire off without opening it and drinking it - that seems silly!

December 22nd, 2003, 14:43	#17
TheFlyingTurkey Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 2,694	Re: A late night departure... She must have been blonde?

March 25th, 2004, 21:09	#18
Masterchief Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 18	Re: A late night departure... [ QUOTE ] Nope, we're talking mega air-rage. I think this situation could be more dangerous than someone with a gun on board. We've all seen the movie Airplane. Remember what happened when the FA announced they were out of coffee? It could happen. [/ QUOTE ] true true.. Then, we could always inflate the "automatic pilot" since I don't think he drinks coffee.

July 2nd, 2004, 23:25	#19
FNG Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tucson, Az Posts: 6	Re: A late night departure... LMAO Just hope and pray you don't have to re-inflate him while the captain is watching...

July 2nd, 2004, 23:27	#20
FNG Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tucson, Az Posts: 6	Re: A late night departure... I just realized that this is a really old posting... LOL

July 3rd, 2004, 11:15	#21
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,028	Re: A late night departure... It's cool, that's why your the FNG

August 20th, 2004, 22:40	#22
cimepilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 231	Re: A late night departure... You probably will have to MEL it! If it is onbaord the aircraft, it is required to be working.

August 27th, 2004, 20:14	#23
flyhigh Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 614	Re: A late night departure... how about Instant Coffee [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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