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Old January 30th, 2008, 22:09   #1
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Default Seat belts!! Int. Quest.

Ok I guess this isnt a "your the captain" scenario... but I think it fits in this forum.

You are a hopeful F.O on an interview with an airline you have been looking into. Everything is going smoothly and they ask you a hypothetical.



You are cleared for take-off and rolling down the runway.. It's not the nicest of days, you've got RVR1600 and Adequate Vis. References. You are below 80knots, and are the PF (pilot flying). You notice you have not buckled your lap-belt/shoulder harness. He are now in violation of the regulations. Do you abort the takeoff, buckle your seatbelts and give it another shot, or do you continue the take-off aware that you are breaking the regs?

What do you tell them?

And what is the correct answer?
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Old January 30th, 2008, 22:12   #2
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Default Re: Seat belts!! Int. Quest.

It should have been done in the before start checklist, putting your seatbelt/shoulder harness on.

But if it is off, you would continue the takeoff and have a good chuckle over it later on. An abort could have more serious outcomes than having your seatbelt off.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 00:08   #3
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Side note... none of our checklists mention seatbelts.

You've got to look at the bigger picture in a thing like this. If you abort, even at low speeds, you are putting all your passengers and the rest of the crew at risk. If you continue, worst case scenario, you are endangering just yourself.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 00:17   #4
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You are below 80knots, and are the PF (pilot flying). You notice you have not buckled your lap-belt/shoulder harness. He are now in violation of the regulations. Do you abort the takeoff, buckle your seatbelts and give it another shot, or do you continue the take-off aware that you are breaking the regs?



I'd wait until v1, then abort the takeoff

I'd steer the plane off in to the grass

Then I'd pull all the fire handle and blow the bottles

Then I'd order the FAs to blow all the slides

Then I'd hack apart the cockpit voice recorder with the crash axe

Then I'd takeoff all my clothes, go streaking through the cabin, jump out the aft slide and yell: "SO LONG, SUCKERS!"




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Old January 31st, 2008, 00:23   #5
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Side note... none of our checklists mention seatbelts.

That is weird, even on the little 19hondy it mentions seat belt/shoulder harnesses TWICE on the before start and the descent checklist.

Mind you, I can hardly fit in the cockpit so my belt is always fastened. More of a hassle for me to take it off.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 00:59   #6
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Would this be what you would want to say to the people conducting the interview if asked this question though?
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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:01   #7
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I'd wait until v1, then abort the takeoff

I'd steer the plane off in to the grass

Then I'd pull all the fire handle and blow the bottles

Then I'd order the FAs to blow all the slides

Then I'd hack apart the cockpit voice recorder with the crash axe

Then I'd takeoff all my clothes, go streaking through the cabin, jump out the aft slide and yell: "SO LONG, SUCKERS!"




You friends with that F/O who got pulled off the AirCanda flight that diverted to Shannon by any chance?
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Would this be what you would want to say to the people conducting the interview if asked this question though?

Yes.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:39   #9
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Would this be what you would want to say to the people conducting the interview if asked this question though?
Continue takeoff and ASAP it.

Way more dangerous to abort a takeoff than it is to takeoff without your seatbelt. If I was the PF I'd probably say something so the captain would be ready to see me bounce off the ceiling and take the controls if something crazy happened. "Heads up captain, I don't have a seatbelt on, be ready if something crazy happens". It takes a while to accelerate to V1 from under 80kts, so you've got time to warn him.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:57   #10
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Can anyone find the video by Boeing about the dangers of a RTO even if the window opens on the roll.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 11:53   #11
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Continue the take off and fill out an asap later as previously mentioned. No sense in endagering every one for something that isn't going to affect the safety of the flight.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 11:57   #12
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Can anyone find the video by Boeing about the dangers of a RTO even if the window opens on the roll.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 14:26   #13
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Default Re: Seat belts!! Int. Quest.

I seem to remember Eagle's checklists calling for seatbelts/shoulder harnesses fastened.

If you do end up on takeoff roll without your shoulder harnesses fastened, you continue the takeoff, and buckle up asap.

My instructor and I were practicing maneuvers one day, and my shoulder strap had come undone. In the middle of a turn-about-a-point he says "hey, you're missing your shoulder belt". I look, say "oh yeah, I am", and proceed to re-buckle the shoulder harness while continuing the maneuver. He shakes his head and says "well, if you can handle a distraction like that, and continue and complete the maneuver perfectly, we don't need to practice that one anymore".
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Continue the takeoff.

The plane will fly just fine with the seatbelt unbuckled! Besides, when you start aborting transport category aircraft, bad things happen. Hell, 80 knots and a door light we're going flying. Might dump some luggage over Far Rockaway, but no use blowing a tire over a potentially bad annunciator.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 18:14   #15
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I always wondered what happened to Near Rockaway.
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I'd wait until v1, then abort the takeoff

I'd steer the plane off in to the grass

Then I'd pull all the fire handle and blow the bottles

Then I'd order the FAs to blow all the slides

Then I'd hack apart the cockpit voice recorder with the crash axe

Then I'd takeoff all my clothes, go streaking through the cabin, jump out the aft slide and yell: "SO LONG, SUCKERS!"




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Old February 3rd, 2008, 01:20   #17
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um...continue the takeoff and proceed normally...

Come on now, fill out a report for a seatbelt
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I love how nonchalant the pilot was. "Blimey, someone's left a window open. Guess I'll have to close that" Great vid.
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I always wondered what happened to Near Rockaway.
I think I know where my luggage went the last time I flew with Doug....
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I'd wait until v1, then abort the takeoff

I'd steer the plane off in to the grass

Then I'd pull all the fire handle and blow the bottles

Then I'd order the FAs to blow all the slides

Then I'd hack apart the cockpit voice recorder with the crash axe

Then I'd takeoff all my clothes, go streaking through the cabin, jump out the aft slide and yell: "SO LONG, SUCKERS!"




It might be time to think about booking off some of your left-over vacation time from last year.
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I think I know where my luggage went the last time I flew with Doug....
You probably thought I was a Skycap when I was getting out of the hotel van.

Then I took your money, "processed" your bag and now it's being picked apart at Goodwill in Fresno!
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 04:24   #22
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You probably thought I was a Skycap when I was getting out of the hotel van.

Then I took your money, "processed" your bag and now it's being picked apart at Goodwill in Fresno!
No, I figured you did a low-level luggage bombing run over Near Rockaway (or maybe it was Far?)
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It was ballast because OldTownPilot freaking loaded the aircraft way out of CG range!
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 04:31   #24
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It was ballast because OldTownPilot freaking loaded the aircraft way out of CG range!
My we're up early! And where are we enjoying breakfast/lunch this day? Some far away place I imagine....
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Lets spice it up. There is an FAA guy in the jumpseat.
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