Flight Attendant Injury - Page 2

CLR4ILS · November 10th, 2003, 21:51

[ QUOTE ]
Putting her broken hand aside, if she's unable to perform her duties, it compromises the safety of everyone on board the aircraft. I can't let her fly with us.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree 100%. What happens if she needs to attend to a passenger? They are your first priority...ILS

Mr_Creepy · November 11th, 2003, 06:45

The company has no choice to "fork over" the money. The claims aer paid by their comp insurance company. If they happen to have a deductible then the comp company sends a bill to the airline, but the medical bills are already paid.

I've been learning a lot about comp lately, as I now consult for several employer organizations and insurance companies.

davetheflyer · November 30th, 2003, 15:34

She's is obviously incapable of performing her duties so you have no choice but to call in a reserve and delay or cancel the flight. She'll be entitled to Worker's Comp at least.

Aside: My first round of IOE in the J41 was cancelled because the captain fell down the stairs and almost broke his arm. They had to find a reserve CA and FO.

Falcon · January 3rd, 2004, 20:22

Well....in all my injured crewmember incidents that ive encountered in all 37.4 hours of C-152 driving....i would have to say:

1) Pushback
2) Depart
3) Open Door
4) Jettison injured crewmember for slamming her hand in the door

Anyone who slams (and breaks) there hand in a 3 lb styrofoam door probabally shouldn't be a "required" crewmember....on my ship at least

-Falcon

SteveC · January 3rd, 2004, 21:10

Everyone now:.....HI SETH!

Keep that attitude, you'll fit in fine...

Falcon · January 4th, 2004, 05:51

Thanks steve, i feel like part of the family already. It's also nice to know that there is a CONSTRUCTIVE forum in the world where people dont's sit around and blame everything on the president. Nice to meet ya man.

-Seth

SteveC · January 4th, 2004, 07:23

Oh, but you misunderstand.
It is all his fault!
That conversation belongs in the Squawk Box, though.

Cherokee_Cruiser · March 31st, 2004, 17:08

[ QUOTE ]
Thirty minutes prior to pushback, you hear a scream and a flight attendant gets her hand crushed by the lavoratory door in a freak accident.

She's obviously in pain and is visually distraught.

Her hand is also starting to swell horribly.

Situational Facts:

(a) She's out of sick time (would not be compensated for missing the trip)
(b) Single mother
(c) Thirty minutes prior to "pushback"
(d) Departure city is an 'outstation' (not at a flight attendant base)

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd treat her like a Queen. First, I'd give her two sets of keys. One for my car, and the other for my house. I'd tell her to go, relax, and not worry about a thing. I'd tell her to feel free to put ice on it (plenty in the freezer). Also, I'd give her my credit card if she needed to buy anything while I was gone for the trip. And finally, after I got back from the trip, I'd pay in cash the same amount as she would have made had she done the trip.

Flyer27 · April 27th, 2004, 00:05

Doug, I like the idea of this forum, but examples like this one are a bit too cut and dry. This one is obvious, you must pull the F/A from the flight.

MQAAord · April 27th, 2004, 06:56

It may seem 'obvious' when you see it in written form on a forum, but when things like this happen in the real world, with real world situations and real people, it's not so 'cut and dry'.

Doug Taylor · April 27th, 2004, 10:12

MQA is correct though.

When you actually have to look the FA in the eye and say, "You're not fit for flight" and she looks at you like you're a doofus and refuses to get off the jet because she's not going to be paid and get admonished by her supervisor, thing get a little tricky.

How far do you go?

Should you "let it ride" the next base?

What if she won't get off the jet?

Are you willing to not sign the "dispatch release", delay the flight and demand that the FA get off your jet?

Would you have her arrested?

Flyer27 · April 27th, 2004, 21:55

My comment was based on the facts given. The way it was written, it sounds like she broke her hand and that she requires medical attention.

Of course you have to take each situation as it comes in the real world, but as I picture the events you describe in my mind, she would not be fit for duty.

As for "not getting paid", I don't see that as an issue, since this should be a worker's comp thing, and thus she would get compensation for the on-the-job injury. Perhaps those rules don't apply to airlines, I really don't know, but they sure do in most businesses.

LISRAREF · May 2nd, 2004, 18:46

[ QUOTE ]
Well....in all my injured crewmember incidents that ive encountered in all 37.4 hours of C-152 driving....i would have to say:

1) Pushback
2) Depart
3) Open Door
4) Jettison injured crewmember for slamming her hand in the door

Anyone who slams (and breaks) there hand in a 3 lb styrofoam door probabally shouldn't be a "required" crewmember....on my ship at least

-Falcon

[/ QUOTE ]

I 2nd That. I havent dont any flying but going to start training hopefully over the next few months in a Beechcraft Sport but if anyone does something like that on a inch deep lavatory plastic door, god help them. How do you manage to do that on a lav door. I say, your incapacitated for duty

. Get off and we will get a replacement and dont sign the dispatch until the F/A is off.

MQAAord · May 2nd, 2004, 19:35

[ QUOTE ]
Get off and we will get a replacement and dont sign the dispatch until the F/A is off.

[/ QUOTE ]

Aahhhh, easier said than done at an outstation where there is no flight attendant base!

flyifrvfr · May 30th, 2004, 22:25

Poor thing, I guess there will be no handjobs that trip. Seriously,I would get medical attention for the F/A, then I would call the company and tell them we need a substitute F/A. I would then take down the information for the NTSB report, how the injury happened, what I did about it, and such. If memory serves me correct, a report has to be made to the NTSB, if a crewmember is hurt or ill, and can not perform their duties.

Theotokos · June 1st, 2005, 13:35

As sad as it is with her being a single mom I'd say, "I'm sorry. I am going to have to ask you not to fly for liability issues. I can have a doctor called though and maybe you can get workman's comp. It is a valid reason for it. If you do not leave it may proove worse for you. You may miss even more work. The company should understand since you were hurt on their time and I'll even put in a good word for you. I am very sorry."

November 10th, 2003, 21:51	#26
CLR4ILS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 577	Re: Flight Attendant Injury [ QUOTE ] Putting her broken hand aside, if she's unable to perform her duties, it compromises the safety of everyone on board the aircraft. I can't let her fly with us. [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. What happens if she needs to attend to a passenger? They are your first priority...ILS

November 11th, 2003, 06:45	#27
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Flight Attendant Injury The company has no choice to "fork over" the money. The claims aer paid by their comp insurance company. If they happen to have a deductible then the comp company sends a bill to the airline, but the medical bills are already paid. I've been learning a lot about comp lately, as I now consult for several employer organizations and insurance companies.

November 30th, 2003, 15:34	#28
davetheflyer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: KATL, Georgia, Tennessee Posts: 1,016	Re: Flight Attendant Injury She's is obviously incapable of performing her duties so you have no choice but to call in a reserve and delay or cancel the flight. She'll be entitled to Worker's Comp at least. Aside: My first round of IOE in the J41 was cancelled because the captain fell down the stairs and almost broke his arm. They had to find a reserve CA and FO.

January 3rd, 2004, 20:22	#29
Falcon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 65	Re: Flight Attendant Injury Well....in all my injured crewmember incidents that ive encountered in all 37.4 hours of C-152 driving....i would have to say: 1) Pushback 2) Depart 3) Open Door 4) Jettison injured crewmember for slamming her hand in the door Anyone who slams (and breaks) there hand in a 3 lb styrofoam door probabally shouldn't be a "required" crewmember....on my ship at least -Falcon

January 3rd, 2004, 21:10	#30
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,277	Re: Flight Attendant Injury Everyone now:.....HI SETH! Keep that attitude, you'll fit in fine...

January 4th, 2004, 05:51	#31
Falcon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 65	Re: Flight Attendant Injury Thanks steve, i feel like part of the family already. It's also nice to know that there is a CONSTRUCTIVE forum in the world where people dont's sit around and blame everything on the president. Nice to meet ya man. -Seth

January 4th, 2004, 07:23	#32
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,277	Re: Flight Attendant Injury Oh, but you misunderstand. It is all his fault! That conversation belongs in the Squawk Box, though.

March 31st, 2004, 17:08	#33
Cherokee_Cruiser Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,419	Re: Flight Attendant Injury [ QUOTE ] Thirty minutes prior to pushback, you hear a scream and a flight attendant gets her hand crushed by the lavoratory door in a freak accident. She's obviously in pain and is visually distraught. Her hand is also starting to swell horribly. Situational Facts: (a) She's out of sick time (would not be compensated for missing the trip) (b) Single mother (c) Thirty minutes prior to "pushback" (d) Departure city is an 'outstation' (not at a flight attendant base) [/ QUOTE ] I'd treat her like a Queen. First, I'd give her two sets of keys. One for my car, and the other for my house. I'd tell her to go, relax, and not worry about a thing. I'd tell her to feel free to put ice on it (plenty in the freezer). Also, I'd give her my credit card if she needed to buy anything while I was gone for the trip. And finally, after I got back from the trip, I'd pay in cash the same amount as she would have made had she done the trip.

April 27th, 2004, 00:05	#34
Flyer27 Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 7	Re: Flight Attendant Injury Doug, I like the idea of this forum, but examples like this one are a bit too cut and dry. This one is obvious, you must pull the F/A from the flight.

April 27th, 2004, 06:56	#35
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,615	Re: Flight Attendant Injury It may seem 'obvious' when you see it in written form on a forum, but when things like this happen in the real world, with real world situations and real people, it's not so 'cut and dry'.

April 27th, 2004, 10:12	#36
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,397 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flight Attendant Injury MQA is correct though. When you actually have to look the FA in the eye and say, "You're not fit for flight" and she looks at you like you're a doofus and refuses to get off the jet because she's not going to be paid and get admonished by her supervisor, thing get a little tricky. How far do you go? Should you "let it ride" the next base? What if she won't get off the jet? Are you willing to not sign the "dispatch release", delay the flight and demand that the FA get off your jet? Would you have her arrested?

April 27th, 2004, 21:55	#37
Flyer27 Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 7	Re: Flight Attendant Injury My comment was based on the facts given. The way it was written, it sounds like she broke her hand and that she requires medical attention. Of course you have to take each situation as it comes in the real world, but as I picture the events you describe in my mind, she would not be fit for duty. As for "not getting paid", I don't see that as an issue, since this should be a worker's comp thing, and thus she would get compensation for the on-the-job injury. Perhaps those rules don't apply to airlines, I really don't know, but they sure do in most businesses.

May 2nd, 2004, 18:46	#38
LISRAREF Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NY, USA Posts: 45	Re: Flight Attendant Injury [ QUOTE ] Well....in all my injured crewmember incidents that ive encountered in all 37.4 hours of C-152 driving....i would have to say: 1) Pushback 2) Depart 3) Open Door 4) Jettison injured crewmember for slamming her hand in the door Anyone who slams (and breaks) there hand in a 3 lb styrofoam door probabally shouldn't be a "required" crewmember....on my ship at least -Falcon [/ QUOTE ] I 2nd That. I havent dont any flying but going to start training hopefully over the next few months in a Beechcraft Sport but if anyone does something like that on a inch deep lavatory plastic door, god help them. How do you manage to do that on a lav door. I say, your incapacitated for duty . Get off and we will get a replacement and dont sign the dispatch until the F/A is off.

May 2nd, 2004, 19:35	#39
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,615	Re: Flight Attendant Injury [ QUOTE ] Get off and we will get a replacement and dont sign the dispatch until the F/A is off. [/ QUOTE ] Aahhhh, easier said than done at an outstation where there is no flight attendant base!

May 30th, 2004, 22:25	#40
flyifrvfr Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 85	Re: Flight Attendant Injury Poor thing, I guess there will be no handjobs that trip. Seriously,I would get medical attention for the F/A, then I would call the company and tell them we need a substitute F/A. I would then take down the information for the NTSB report, how the injury happened, what I did about it, and such. If memory serves me correct, a report has to be made to the NTSB, if a crewmember is hurt or ill, and can not perform their duties.

June 1st, 2005, 13:35	#41
Theotokos Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: BRY/KLOU/KSDF Posts: 481	Re: Flight Attendant Injury As sad as it is with her being a single mom I'd say, "I'm sorry. I am going to have to ask you not to fly for liability issues. I can have a doctor called though and maybe you can get workman's comp. It is a valid reason for it. If you do not leave it may proove worse for you. You may miss even more work. The company should understand since you were hurt on their time and I'll even put in a good word for you. I am very sorry."

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode