What would you do?

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

So when minimums is announced by the little computer you don't have to say something like "field not in sight"?
I'm really not sure what the pilots freight background has to do with anything either.

I know that @ 200' if I'm PM when PF calls minimums I say, approach lights continue. Then if I'm outside(PM), the next thing I would say is runway in sight. If I do not say that, then the PF calls missed @ 100' and were off.

The freight background part (I believe ) is that a person used to making decisions which only affect him/herself may have a habit pattern of taking things farther than those of us that have only been 121.

Personally, I'm not thinking about the passengers in the back when we're in the middle of an approach, but it is a part of my overall conditioning to think of them as far as comfort. As far as taking things too far, I don't go there, I am all about getting my own butt home at the end of the day, they're (literally) along for the ride.

[Velocipede]

Two Commandments of Commercial Aviation:

1. You get paid by the minute.
2. Never eat a crew meal in the dark.

So, considering the 1st Commandment, why chance it? Go around and try another approach or go to your alternate.

And as to the comment about not risking your life for $90k a year...You NEVER get paid enough to risk your life or the lives of your passengers. Remember the old saying:

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old,bold pilots.

[Alchemy]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

Confused a little about your story. According to your CAT II approach breif the FO eyes were supposed to be inside the whole time and he was only supposed to call a missed if you lost signal, autopilot acted weird, or you didn't say "the magic words" by DH. So when minimums is announced by the little computer you don't have to say something like "field not in sight"?
I'm really not sure what the pilots freight background has to do with anything either. If anything he's probably been in and around minimums a bunch so his comfort level down there is better then your 300 hour wonder kids that occupy that seat sometimes. A pilot that goes below minimums is an unsafe pilot no matter if he came from freight, flight instructing, or dual received.
As far as the speed he probably flew the approach faster in the C208.
What you have behind you has no bearing on your decision making at DH or at any point on an approach. Infact the only time what you have in the back should enter your mind is if the ride isn't smooth at altitude. If the fact that you have 50-100 people(depending on which RJ) or 1700 lbs of dog #### enters your mind when you have to be making a continue or missed decision then I believe your focus is being clouded.

*Also this isn't a freight vs. regional thing so the peanut gallery can have a seat again.

After the point where the captain looks outside, there is no callout by the captain other than "landing, I have the aircraft". If the FO doesn't hear those words by DH, he/she is supposed to call the go around.

The only relevance the FO's background had in this case would be the fact they told me later they never would have gone missed had it been in the caravan, implying to me that they intentionally hesitated on calling the missed approach.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

After the point where the captain looks outside, there is no callout by the captain other than "landing, I have the aircraft". If the FO doesn't hear those words by DH, he/she is supposed to call the go around.

The only relevance the FO's background had in this case would be the fact they told me later they never would have gone missed had it been in the caravan, implying to me that they intentionally hesitated on calling the missed approach.

Interesting. Thanks for the information.

[30West]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

What's the recording gonna prove? That you couldn't hear their transmission?

(You're right Dale, and said practice would be 100% unsafe and unethical, but what could the feds prove? That you didn't hear what they said?)

Ok, so if the WX is at mins, have your finger on the mic and if you start to hear a transmission that starts off in runway # RVR..step on him and keep the mic down til inside and say sorry stuck mic. Of course you should only do this within 1nm or so of the FAF. This way theres nothing on the CVR, either ATC or you telling the FO to do that for you.

Or you could just do the safe/legal thing and go missed like you should.