Landing at the wrong airport... - Page 3

Rocketman99 · January 16th, 2008, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Only problem was that Humphreys was like 5,000', Osan was something like 15,000' (don't remember the exact numbers, but Osan is LONG).

Osan? Osan's runway is only like 9000 ft, I remember that cause I had to keep burning off fuel on coronet to be able to land there with a wet runway... Right about Humphreys potential though.

fish314 · January 16th, 2008, 19:28

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Originally Posted by SRA_kbad

Thats nothing Rob. Chris almost flew us in to Mexico. I just wanted to smack him. You know how he is

I've accidently flown into mexico once. I did pilot training at Laughlin AFB, which is in Del Rio, TX. For those not familiar, it's right on the Rio Grande river, where Texas, Mexico and Hell all share a border.

Anyways, from the MOA there was this thing called the River recovery, which was a visual recovery just barely along the U.S. side of the Rio Grande. Well, I'm flying back and all of a sudden my instructor reached up and turned off the squawk, and started to whistle, "la cuccharacha". I got the hint.

E_Dawg · January 19th, 2008, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Oh hell yes. I did a sweet visual approach to Offut AFB one day until the controller insisted I join the LOC at Omaha.

Hell even at the RIGHT airport you still gotta get the right runway! I know a guy who was all set and ready to land on the parallel taxiway

spbrian · January 20th, 2008, 17:17

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Originally Posted by E_Dawg

Hell even at the RIGHT airport you still gotta get the right runway! I know a guy who was all set and ready to land on the parallel taxiway

Hey funny you mention that, I know of somebody who did that too!

Nick · January 20th, 2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by spbrian

Hey funny you mention that, I know of somebody who did that too!

There was a B-757-300 at a certain US airport all lined up to land on a parallel taxiway. This was realized 500 feet and in sidestepping to the runway, the new captain got below Vref by a lot and despite being in a situation that certainly warrants a go-around, they continued and struck the tail.

OldTownPilot · January 20th, 2008, 20:26

A 757 landed on taxiway Z at EWR on an ILS 11 circle 29. With the left hand turn Z comes into view before 29, and Z is concrete and stands out while 29 is asphalt and blends into all the other asphalt at EWR. Thirdly the VASI is on the right side on the runway, therefore it's on the normal left side of Z.

Blackhawk · January 27th, 2008, 02:01

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Originally Posted by E_Dawg

Hell even at the RIGHT airport you still gotta get the right runway! I know a guy who was all set and ready to land on the parallel taxiway

This has happened more than once at ATL. Heck, one of the taxiways was used as a runway while 27L was being worked on.

Blackhawk · January 27th, 2008, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Rocketman99

Osan? Osan's runway is only like 9000 ft, I remember that cause I had to keep burning off fuel on coronet to be able to land there with a wet runway... Right about Humphreys potential though.

My bad... it just seemed like it was 15,000' to an Army pilot. Although I guess with the over runs its a little longer.

ppragman · January 28th, 2008, 18:41

I swear this is the thread that won't die....

madmax · February 1st, 2008, 04:13

Apparently it is an issue in the Bay Area with flights lining up to the wrong airports. Also, don't some of the SEA approaches have warnings about lining up/landing on the parallel taxiway?

Polar742 · March 16th, 2008, 13:54

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Originally Posted by BobDDuck

The story that brought this conversation up involved a CHQ crew back in the mid 1990s who had the ND basketball team on board as a charter and while returning to South Bend at 2 in the morning landed at Elkhart. They just took off again and landed in South Bend. Nobody was any the wiser until the travel coordinator for the basketball team asked the Chief Pilot why they stopped in Elkhart first the previous trip.

It wasn't me, but I'm intimately familiar with this incident.

It was CAVU out, and the CA and FO decided to do a VFR-ish arrival. The scrolled their maps to max range, which obviously provided no guidance. No ground based LOC or ILS was used. They ended up in EKM.

Everyone was told to shut the window shades, they blasted off and went to SBN. The company knew about it right quick. I'm not sure who the notifying party was.

Here's the list of violations I can remember:
1) No landing data for EKM
2) No disp release for EKM-SBN
3) No T/O performance
4) Logbook Fraud (not sure of the technical term) since EKM wasn't logged, and times weren't logged (no ACARS on the jet)
5) No amended destination for the rls
6) Careless/reckless tag

It was a mess. I knew the Captain. If the plane had stayed at the wrong airport, it wouldn't have been as bad.

As anyone who has flown to SBN knows, it's VERY easy to get it goofy with EKM.

Sorry for the late post...

ozziecat35 · March 18th, 2008, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Camp Humphreys in Korea was just south of Osan- the control zones overlap. Runways were oriented the same direction. I was there when the ILS was first commissioned at Camp Humphreys in the late 1980s. The frequency was only like .2 different from Osans localizer (one was something like 111.1, the other 111.3. The IDs were similar... especially to crews flying C-5s from the US. Only problem was that Humphreys was like 5,000', Osan was something like 15,000' (don't remember the exact numbers, but Osan is LONG).
One night while flying NVGs in the pattern at Humphreys we were turning base when a C-5 flew by us on final... not talking to tower. Yeah, they were tracking a perfect localizer... to the wrong airport. I guess they realized it at the last minute when the runway looked kind of short... and dark... and did a go around. Shocked the &^%$ out of us and the tower controller. Tower came back in a few minutes and told us what they did. I'd like to say I would never have done it... but being tired after a long flight... IDs are close... frequencies are almost the same (is that a 1 or a 3?)... runways alined... a dark night...

I guess if you were there on one of the 5 days in SK you have more than 4 sm in Haze. I soloed out of the aero club in Osan, yet was an intel tech at the Hump a few years back, All the hours I logged out of Osan, I almost never even saw Humphreys...At night though tracking a localizer I guess I could buy it. Man now I want some Bulgogi....

Blackhawk · March 19th, 2008, 23:06

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Originally Posted by ozziecat35

I guess if you were there on one of the 5 days in SK you have more than 4 sm in Haze. I soloed out of the aero club in Osan, yet was an intel tech at the Hump a few years back, All the hours I logged out of Osan, I almost never even saw Humphreys...At night though tracking a localizer I guess I could buy it. Man now I want some Bulgogi....

Mmmm. Bulgogi. With kimchi.
I used to fly out of the Osan Aero Club also. I took my wife (we were dating at the time), down to Cheju Do in a 172 for a weekend. I spent 2 1/2 years at "The Hump", my wife spent two years there. We spent many a date at the Katusa snack bar there when one of us had duty, and down town Anjung Ni. Ah, the Top Hat club. We used to go to Osan until the bars closed at 02:00, then have taxi races back to Anjung Ni until we stagered through the gate about 05:00 and walked across the airfield back to the BOQ. Taxi races are when you load up 2-4 taxis, throw a $5 bill on the dash, and tell the cab drivers the first one to Anjung Ni keeps the $5 as a tip.

I don't know how we didn't wind up upside down in a rice patty. Oh, and the soju tents. Now there was an experience. Sit around with a bunch of old Koreans and drink soju. Buy a pigeon, have it cut up and thrown on the grill.

sopdan · March 20th, 2008, 02:09

Just to add to the discussion, ATC themselves can screw you up as well.

Have a friend that was flying LGA-ITH, getting vectored in IMC for the ILS 32 (110.3). I can't remember the nitty gritty details, but long story short, the controller started vectoring them for the BGM ILS 34 (108.7).

Seems easy to catch, right? Well, the BGM ILS 16 is also 110.3.... I believe it wasn't until they were on their final vector and cleared for the approach that they figured out why the instruments weren't showing what they expected.

(For those unfamiliar with NY, if you're flying from LGA to ITH, you pass right by BGM)

ppragman · March 24th, 2008, 14:47

die thread! die!

skybobb · March 26th, 2008, 23:30

There was a 727 or 737 that landed at TTD instead of PDX a long while ago. I heard the pilot got fired even after he left it right there. seems like they had to strip it down some and get a pilot from Boeing to fly it over to PDX. The two are pretty much lined up with one another but about 10 or 15 miles apart.

skybobb · March 26th, 2008, 23:45

I went back and found it on google. It was a United Flight from Chicago to Portland in a DC-8. Troutdale at that time was about 4,000 Feet long. They had to drain fuel and strip the plane put the tail over the fence and fly it the 8 miles to PDX Portland Int. This happened in 1968.

jtrain609 · March 27th, 2008, 23:21

Note to self: If I ever screw up so royally that I land at the wrong airport, land at an airport with a runway long enough to get back out of...

zmiller4 · March 28th, 2008, 18:30

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

Note to self: If I ever screw up so royally that I land at the wrong airport, land at an airport with a runway long enough to get back out of...

Didn't United or Delta or somebody land at Salt Lake #2?

jtrain609 · March 28th, 2008, 22:33

Dunno! You'd have to ask one of the real locals, but I can see it happening. It's lined up with the 34's in Salt Lake, directly south of it with a northbound runway itself.

Micaoct · March 31st, 2008, 23:55

Zondaracer · April 1st, 2008, 22:04

Tucson International Airport has runways 11L/29R and 11R/29L, and pointing in almost the same direction next to it is Davis Monthan AFB just on the otherside of the highway, fortunately it is numbered 12/30

Shhhh, not while im flyin · April 3rd, 2008, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Zondaracer

Tucson International Airport has runways 11L/29R and 11R/29L, and pointing in almost the same direction next to it is Davis Monthan AFB just on the otherside of the highway, fortunately it is numbered 12/30

runways have numbers now? technology is amazing!

twdeckard · April 3rd, 2008, 22:37

... having to unload a 737 to depart ...

If you ever fly into C02 (Lake Geneva Wisconsin)the approach end of 23 was torn up (there may have been a displaced threshold). The story was that Hef managed to talk them into landing the Bunny Jet there -- Lake Geneva used to be one of the Playboy Clubs.

Apparantly after realizing their poor judgement they had to tear out seats, maybe offload fuel and wait until a cool early morning to blast it back off.

The legend was that is why the runway surface was pocked up at one end -- from the heavy jet landing.

sdfcvoh · April 4th, 2008, 00:13

right... but DM doesn't mind when people land there by mistake

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i'm sure its happened, but i've never heard about it.

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Originally Posted by Zondaracer

Tucson International Airport has runways 11L/29R and 11R/29L, and pointing in almost the same direction next to it is Davis Monthan AFB just on the otherside of the highway, fortunately it is numbered 12/30

on another note: i bet heff could land at DM. hell - he could land in my backyard! just bring the ladies

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