Fight on the Flight Deck

Theotokos · June 10th, 2005, 23:36

You are the Captain of a 777 flight from Dallas to London. There are two other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the second officer sits in third chair enjoying the scenery--the second officer is Arab and you're first officer--who lost a pilot buddy in the 9-11 crashes--is very prejudice against him--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your wife with her whole damned body covered in ####rags."
The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the jaw. The first officer reaches back to hit him back but you tell him both to stop since "we are in an airplane and there isn't room to be horsing around."
After getting back to base, you are in you boss's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you were there, Captain--what do think should be done?"

A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended.
B) Ask that the first officer be fired (because he insulted the second offcer's religious coustom) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded)
C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again.
D) Have them both suspended
E) Have the second officer fireds (he threw a punch) and the first officer suspended for verbal abuse.

Theotokos · June 10th, 2005, 23:43

by the way I pick B. Why:

Well as wrong as it was to hit him, the first officer was in no way innocnet. If you insult a guy's religon and his wife and you end up on the ground, do not be supprised. The second officer in my opinion was just upset--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason. He does deserve punishment but suspension in my opinion. The first offcicer was way out of line and should be terminated for harrasment pronto.

FlyChicaga · June 10th, 2005, 23:55

Ok, if nobody else will say it, I will. Dude, you are really weird. WTF is up with some of these scenarios? I don't mean to be an ass, but come on.

I'll just leave it at that.

Texguy · June 11th, 2005, 00:05

Theotokos · June 11th, 2005, 00:15

Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell....

applepwnz · June 11th, 2005, 00:43

I think I'd have to go with B, I mean, the FO was definetly just egging the SO on, Although I think that this scenario would be very unlikely to arise because 777s don't use a Second Officer. Who knows, maybe the "Second Officer" is just another guy jumpseating, although in that situation, if I saw that trouble was arising between the FO and the guy jumpseating, I'd just move the guy that was jumpseating to First Class if there were seats available.

mrivc211 · June 11th, 2005, 04:13

I second what matt said. About 99.9% of people out there don't think of scenarios like this randomly. I'd say for your best interest keep it to yourself.

MikeD · June 11th, 2005, 05:18

To bite your bait. I'd handle the situation at the lowest level.....in the cockpit and make sure it ends there. Everyone is too charged to run to the hall monitor (management) with every little pissant little problem.

Pooch · June 11th, 2005, 19:14

How about this one?

You are the Captain of a Cessna 152 flight from Buenos Aires to London. There are five other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the fourth pilot sits in third chair enjoying a cigar--the second officer is Arab and you're fifth officer--who lost a pilot buddy who just retired one day and never really kept in touch--is somewhat irritated and almost appears forlorn, but in reality has a secret drug problem and enjoys 10 yr. old boys--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your dog with her whole damned body covered in that....fur stuff!!"
The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the earlobe. The first officer reaches back to bite him back but you tell him both to stop acting like sissies since "we are in one of those little flying thingees and there isn't room to be horsing around."
After getting back to base, you are in your boss's assistant's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you may or may not have been there, Captain--what do think should be done? By the way--have you seen a grown man naked?"

A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended or promoted or slapped.
B) Ask that the seventh officer be fired (because he insulted the fourth offcer's dog and maybe a raccoon) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded by Hillary Clinton) and that you be fired.
C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again while wearing pants.
D) Have them both suspended, drawn and quartered.
E) Have the second officer fired (he threw a bowl of punch) and the first officer promoted for verbal abuse.
OR.......
F) Say to a real pilot the following words..."Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell...."

SIUav8er · June 11th, 2005, 19:31

[ QUOTE ]
How about this one?

You are the Captain of a Cessna 152 flight from Buenos Aires to London. There are five other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the fourth pilot sits in third chair enjoying a cigar--the second officer is Arab and you're fifth officer--who lost a pilot buddy who just retired one day and never really kept in touch--is somewhat irritated and almost appears forlorn, but in reality has a secret drug problem and enjoys 10 yr. old boys--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your dog with her whole damned body covered in that....fur stuff!!"
The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the earlobe. The first officer reaches back to bite him back but you tell him both to stop acting like sissies since "we are in one of those little flying thingees and there isn't room to be horsing around."
After getting back to base, you are in your boss's assistant's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you may or may not have been there, Captain--what do think should be done? By the way--have you seen a grown man naked?"

A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended or promoted or slapped.
B) Ask that the seventh officer be fired (because he insulted the fourth offcer's dog and maybe a raccoon) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded by Hillary Clinton) and that you be fired.
C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again while wearing pants.
D) Have them both suspended, drawn and quartered.
E) Have the second officer fired (he threw a bowl of punch) and the first officer promoted for verbal abuse.
OR.......
F) Say to a real pilot the following words..."Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell...."

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Hmmmm, I would have to go with B. That is my final answer!

rausda27 · June 11th, 2005, 20:19

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--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason.

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This is a pretty open racial stereotype, you should be more careful with your generalizations.

MikeD · June 11th, 2005, 22:54

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--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason.

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This is a pretty open racial stereotype, you should be more careful with your generalizations.

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I don't have much problem that I notice.....even though my heritage is from the east side of the Gulf. Though I do get my Army COs trying to get me to ask questions to captured insurgents, and my fellow pilots trying to get me to translate the words of the "lone gunman" yelling from atop the tower at 5:00 each day.

Doug Taylor · June 12th, 2005, 12:40

Well, if you hire the right people off the bat, you don't have to worry about the scenario.

There's no part of the CRM flow where it says, "Communicate your disdain for your crewmember...Check"

applepwnz · June 13th, 2005, 13:54

[ QUOTE ]
There's no part of the CRM flow where it says, "Communicate your disdain for your crewmember...Check"

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IndianaPilot · June 13th, 2005, 19:03

can i use a lifeline ?? i'll phone a friend.....

GatorFC · June 14th, 2005, 04:29

[ QUOTE ]
After getting back to base, you are in you boss's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you were there, Captain--what do think should be done?"

[/ QUOTE ]Easy -
<cue Loud, Echoing voice>

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

<cue Techno Music>

shooter13 · June 14th, 2005, 07:33

Fire them both. One is making racist comments at work and the other is starting a physical fight in the air. Hopefully there aren't many people like this in the skys.

Kristie · June 14th, 2005, 13:05

I'd go with that too.. fire all of em!

just fire em all!

and i doubt that would actually take place since the airlines do a pretty good "weed out" with the psychology test!

JDE · June 14th, 2005, 13:51

Dude, where do you come up with these scenarios? Are you for real? I'm starting to get a little worried. It sounds like you need to learn more about aviation before asking these kinds of questions.

Kristie · June 14th, 2005, 21:35

maybe he's making a book on "how many ways can you skin a pilot in flight?"

JDE · June 14th, 2005, 22:23

[ QUOTE ]
maybe he's making a book on "how many ways can you skin a pilot in flight?"

[/ QUOTE ]

it'll definately be an interesting read!

NaturalFlyer · June 16th, 2005, 06:53

Being a new poster and all, I wouldn't be trying to find new ways to make people think I am a weirdo; unless they could not entirely judge me just from my random odd posts and wacky images.

WindyCityPilot · June 16th, 2005, 12:26

[ QUOTE ]
Ok, if nobody else will say it, I will. Dude, you are really weird. WTF is up with some of these scenarios? I don't mean to be an ass, but come on.

I'll just leave it at that.

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FlyChicaga · June 16th, 2005, 22:18

[ QUOTE ]
and i doubt that would actually take place since the airlines do a pretty good "weed out" with the psychology test!

[/ QUOTE ]

Surprisingly, I have heard stories of fistfights in the cockpit, on the ramp, in the crew room, or on overnights. I don't know how much truth to them though.

Kingairer · June 17th, 2005, 09:50

We had an FO hit the capt with the "can".

June 10th, 2005, 23:36	#1
Theotokos Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: BRY/KLOU/KSDF Posts: 481	Fight on the Flight Deck You are the Captain of a 777 flight from Dallas to London. There are two other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the second officer sits in third chair enjoying the scenery--the second officer is Arab and you're first officer--who lost a pilot buddy in the 9-11 crashes--is very prejudice against him--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your wife with her whole damned body covered in ####rags." The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the jaw. The first officer reaches back to hit him back but you tell him both to stop since "we are in an airplane and there isn't room to be horsing around." After getting back to base, you are in you boss's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you were there, Captain--what do think should be done?" A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended. B) Ask that the first officer be fired (because he insulted the second offcer's religious coustom) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded) C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again. D) Have them both suspended E) Have the second officer fireds (he threw a punch) and the first officer suspended for verbal abuse.

June 10th, 2005, 23:43	#2
Theotokos Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: BRY/KLOU/KSDF Posts: 481	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck by the way I pick B. Why: Well as wrong as it was to hit him, the first officer was in no way innocnet. If you insult a guy's religon and his wife and you end up on the ground, do not be supprised. The second officer in my opinion was just upset--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason. He does deserve punishment but suspension in my opinion. The first offcicer was way out of line and should be terminated for harrasment pronto.

June 10th, 2005, 23:55	#3
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,750	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck Ok, if nobody else will say it, I will. Dude, you are really weird. WTF is up with some of these scenarios? I don't mean to be an ass, but come on. I'll just leave it at that.

June 11th, 2005, 00:05	#4
Texguy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: KAUS Posts: 850	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck

June 11th, 2005, 00:15	#5
Theotokos Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: BRY/KLOU/KSDF Posts: 481	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell....

June 11th, 2005, 00:43	#6
applepwnz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central MA Posts: 348	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck I think I'd have to go with B, I mean, the FO was definetly just egging the SO on, Although I think that this scenario would be very unlikely to arise because 777s don't use a Second Officer. Who knows, maybe the "Second Officer" is just another guy jumpseating, although in that situation, if I saw that trouble was arising between the FO and the guy jumpseating, I'd just move the guy that was jumpseating to First Class if there were seats available.

June 11th, 2005, 04:13	#7
mrivc211 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,005	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck I second what matt said. About 99.9% of people out there don't think of scenarios like this randomly. I'd say for your best interest keep it to yourself.

June 11th, 2005, 05:18	#8
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck To bite your bait. I'd handle the situation at the lowest level.....in the cockpit and make sure it ends there. Everyone is too charged to run to the hall monitor (management) with every little pissant little problem.

June 11th, 2005, 19:14	#9
Pooch Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 183	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck How about this one? You are the Captain of a Cessna 152 flight from Buenos Aires to London. There are five other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the fourth pilot sits in third chair enjoying a cigar--the second officer is Arab and you're fifth officer--who lost a pilot buddy who just retired one day and never really kept in touch--is somewhat irritated and almost appears forlorn, but in reality has a secret drug problem and enjoys 10 yr. old boys--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your dog with her whole damned body covered in that....fur stuff!!" The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the earlobe. The first officer reaches back to bite him back but you tell him both to stop acting like sissies since "we are in one of those little flying thingees and there isn't room to be horsing around." After getting back to base, you are in your boss's assistant's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you may or may not have been there, Captain--what do think should be done? By the way--have you seen a grown man naked?" A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended or promoted or slapped. B) Ask that the seventh officer be fired (because he insulted the fourth offcer's dog and maybe a raccoon) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded by Hillary Clinton) and that you be fired. C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again while wearing pants. D) Have them both suspended, drawn and quartered. E) Have the second officer fired (he threw a bowl of punch) and the first officer promoted for verbal abuse. OR....... F) Say to a real pilot the following words..."Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell...."

June 11th, 2005, 19:31	#10
SIUav8er Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: at work Posts: 919	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] How about this one? You are the Captain of a Cessna 152 flight from Buenos Aires to London. There are five other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the fourth pilot sits in third chair enjoying a cigar--the second officer is Arab and you're fifth officer--who lost a pilot buddy who just retired one day and never really kept in touch--is somewhat irritated and almost appears forlorn, but in reality has a secret drug problem and enjoys 10 yr. old boys--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your dog with her whole damned body covered in that....fur stuff!!" The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the earlobe. The first officer reaches back to bite him back but you tell him both to stop acting like sissies since "we are in one of those little flying thingees and there isn't room to be horsing around." After getting back to base, you are in your boss's assistant's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you may or may not have been there, Captain--what do think should be done? By the way--have you seen a grown man naked?" A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended or promoted or slapped. B) Ask that the seventh officer be fired (because he insulted the fourth offcer's dog and maybe a raccoon) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded by Hillary Clinton) and that you be fired. C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again while wearing pants. D) Have them both suspended, drawn and quartered. E) Have the second officer fired (he threw a bowl of punch) and the first officer promoted for verbal abuse. OR....... F) Say to a real pilot the following words..."Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell...." [/ QUOTE ] Hmmmm, I would have to go with B. That is my final answer!

June 11th, 2005, 20:19	#11
rausda27 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,230	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] --I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason. [/ QUOTE ] This is a pretty open racial stereotype, you should be more careful with your generalizations.

June 11th, 2005, 22:54	#12
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] --I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason. [/ QUOTE ] This is a pretty open racial stereotype, you should be more careful with your generalizations. [/ QUOTE ] I don't have much problem that I notice.....even though my heritage is from the east side of the Gulf. Though I do get my Army COs trying to get me to ask questions to captured insurgents, and my fellow pilots trying to get me to translate the words of the "lone gunman" yelling from atop the tower at 5:00 each day.

June 12th, 2005, 12:40	#13
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,819 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck Well, if you hire the right people off the bat, you don't have to worry about the scenario. There's no part of the CRM flow where it says, "Communicate your disdain for your crewmember...Check"

June 13th, 2005, 13:54	#14
applepwnz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central MA Posts: 348	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] There's no part of the CRM flow where it says, "Communicate your disdain for your crewmember...Check" [/ QUOTE ]

June 13th, 2005, 19:03	#15
IndianaPilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 423	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck can i use a lifeline ?? i'll phone a friend.....

June 14th, 2005, 04:29	#16
GatorFC Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: da' Bayou Posts: 1,685	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] After getting back to base, you are in you boss's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you were there, Captain--what do think should be done?" [/ QUOTE ]Easy - <cue Loud, Echoing voice> MORTAL KOMBAT!!! <cue Techno Music>

June 14th, 2005, 07:33	#17
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck Fire them both. One is making racist comments at work and the other is starting a physical fight in the air. Hopefully there aren't many people like this in the skys.

June 14th, 2005, 13:05	#18
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,698 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck I'd go with that too.. fire all of em! just fire em all! and i doubt that would actually take place since the airlines do a pretty good "weed out" with the psychology test!

June 14th, 2005, 13:51	#19
JDE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,459	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck Dude, where do you come up with these scenarios? Are you for real? I'm starting to get a little worried. It sounds like you need to learn more about aviation before asking these kinds of questions.

June 14th, 2005, 21:35	#20
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,698 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck maybe he's making a book on "how many ways can you skin a pilot in flight?"

June 14th, 2005, 22:23	#21
JDE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,459	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] maybe he's making a book on "how many ways can you skin a pilot in flight?" [/ QUOTE ] it'll definately be an interesting read!

June 16th, 2005, 06:53	#22
NaturalFlyer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 35	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck Being a new poster and all, I wouldn't be trying to find new ways to make people think I am a weirdo; unless they could not entirely judge me just from my random odd posts and wacky images.

June 16th, 2005, 12:26	#23
WindyCityPilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 748	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] Ok, if nobody else will say it, I will. Dude, you are really weird. WTF is up with some of these scenarios? I don't mean to be an ass, but come on. I'll just leave it at that. [/ QUOTE ]

June 16th, 2005, 22:18	#24
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,750	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck [ QUOTE ] and i doubt that would actually take place since the airlines do a pretty good "weed out" with the psychology test! [/ QUOTE ] Surprisingly, I have heard stories of fistfights in the cockpit, on the ramp, in the crew room, or on overnights. I don't know how much truth to them though.

June 17th, 2005, 09:50	#25
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	Re: Fight on the Flight Deck We had an FO hit the capt with the "can".

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