Racist Passenger

[supercell86]

I'm saying the guy saying racist things on the aircraft is a threat. Other pax may hear him and possibly want to fight him....basically, for some reason you didnt get what im saying......LAND THE PLANE IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE

[TonyC]

I posted a response on this thread shortly before the Forums were migrated to a new server.

Was my post deleted, or did it not survive the transition?


(When looking at the Forum Index, my name appeared in the "Last post" position, but my post is absent - - looks to me like it was deleted.)



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[Kristie]

Did you post it on the 3rd? after 3AM? if so, I think we did lose some posts in the migration... we might be able to get them back tomorrow, just not sure yet!!

I lost at least a days worth on PilotFamilies.com... I'm hoping we didn't lose as much here, that would stink!!

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Kristie

Did you post it on the 3rd? after 3AM? if so, I think we did lose some posts in the migration... we might be able to get them back tomorrow, just not sure yet!!

I lost at least a days worth on PilotFamilies.com... I'm hoping we didn't lose as much here, that would stink!!

It was the 3rd, and it was in the neighborhood of 2:45AM CST. (I looked at the post I made just prior to that, and I'm estimating.) It's curious that the Index listed my post, but it didn't appear on the thread.

Anyway, if that's the reason it's gone, I guess it will be safe to repeat my comment.

It went something like this:

I'm amazed that this thread took so many posts (the 48th response, I believe) for somebody to come up with an idea other than throw him out of the airplane at FL370 or deliver him to France.

Why the preoccupation with racism? Would the response be different if the guy just threatened to kill the FA?

A passenger threatened the FA, right? We're done - - airplane goes to the most convenient loacation where the passenger can be delivered to U.S. law enforcement authorities, the airplane can be refueled, and the airplane can depart and continue the scheduled flight to France. That location is probably NOT the departure airport, and it is probably in front of me. Boston? Newark? JFK? If I have to burn fuel to get to landing weight, it might be farther north, but I'm not leaving the continental US with a passenger who has threatened a crewmember. All I need is a cop, a fuel truck, and a runway long enough to get me over the pond.

The threat is not dismissed simply because it was racially charged.


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[Doug Taylor]

Lots of strange server stuff.

Two servers, two MySQL databases, five or six confused non-communicative technicians and two very pissed an anxious webmasters! hopefully, the problems are resolved now.

But your post was not deleted as it'd be in the Mod/Admin section for consideration, which it isn't.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Lots of strange server stuff.

Two servers, two MySQL databases, five or six confused non-communicative technicians and two very pissed an anxious webmasters! hopefully, the problems are resolved now.

But your post was not deleted as it'd be in the Mod/Admin section for consideration, which it isn't.

Thanks for the answer, and thanks for the hard work on the forums.






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[supercell86]

Glad ur thread got posted! And its good to see that atleast one person kinda agrees with me. (Since I'm a newbie and all)

[NW004]

I'd just hate to see a fist fight break out on a plane at 37,000 feet from angry passengers that may want to lash out at the vulgar passenger.

WOW that's going to be a long long flight!

[cap'n_howdy]

Originally Posted by neen

Let the flight attendants handle it. If there is more than one f/a on board they can switch positions. If she is a black woman hearing racist comments is not something new to her it's how she handles it that makes the difference. Trust me I speak from experience as a f/a and a black woman. Turning an aircraft around under those circumstances is not worth the hassle. If I were the pilot I would find out if she is ok, ya know make sure that she doesn't totally dislocate his knee when she rams him with the galley cart

that is wisdom.

my .02 cents: i have lived all over the world, and for one thing racism and bigotry are not necessarily the same thing. i grew up in the country in texas and virginia, (live in rural north texas now) and i can tell you firsthand that it works both ways and is not gonna stop any time soon. black people should know through experience that a huge number of white people were raised as racist bigots and are currently teaching their children to be, too. i still have scars from the honolulu police throwing me in a cell w/ a bunch of samoans-after having lived in upolu, western samoa i could speak samoan pretty well, and am not racist at all, or loudmouthed, but they jumped at the chance to beat the ##### out of a howlie. i personally broke up a lynching in progress in downtown dallas(crackheads having a dispute over who stole the rock) in 2001. i have seen racism/reverse racism many times, and it bothers me, but it bothers me almost as much to see educated people willing to write off the life of another human because that individual is ignorant of reality. the notion that it would be fun to see a racist, or even a murderer, for that matter, punished is disturbing, and is the same mentality that would justify racism in the first place. it's like kicking a dog, and people that consider themselves better than anyone else for any reason should consider that your perceptions of right and wrong are almost exclusively limited to what you personally know, and where you were raised/taught the most basic of life's principles. if you're of european ancestry, it is a good bet that your ancestors had blood on their hands. don't forget that if you grow up in palestine you think israelis are evil, and if you grow up in israel you think palestinians are evil, and if you grow up aboriginy you think they are both crazy for trying to own something that was there before you were born and will be there long after your'e dead.
--who knows the truth?--

[ChrisH]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I've had my share of passengers that drop by the cockpit and make stupid remarks.

Probably the worst was a few years ago when someone's child walked into the cockpit and started yammering about how suprised he was that black folks (well, actually the vernacular description) could fly airplanes. His guardians swiftly, but not very passionately apologized but I couldn't resist responding "Well, kids only repeat what they hear on a daily basis..."

The captain was a lot more pissed than I was, and was about to kick them off, but I convinced him that the best revenge was to leave them on let them stew for the 90 minute flight and then stand in the doorway proudly smiling as they deplaned.

That is the best thing you could have done. They probably could not stand to see a successful black man, especially a pilot. I was flying a couple of months ago, and a black FO got off a Pinnacle CRJ in Memphis. I was waiting at the gate, and noticed some of the passengers stare him down, as he walked off with the captain. They seemed so surprised to see a 'black' pilot.

Best thing to do, is act like it doesn't bother you, and stand there, after the flight with a big smile, and tell them to have a nice day. It will probably eat them up inside.

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by MikeD

[ QUOTE ]
I would throw his @ss out of the airplane. At 37,000 feet. I have had to deal with racist comments before, and I can't friggin' stand people who are so stupid and full of hatred that they have to put down people who are different than they are. All people are the same. Differences like hair color, eye color, skin color don't really matter, we are all just people.

[/ QUOTE ]

Throw someone out at 37K for racist comments?

If we threw out everyone at 37,000 feet for stupidity, this planet would be pretty sparse.

That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing......we are overpoplutating the Earth at an amazing rate. It's just culling the herd.

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by MikeD

[ QUOTE ]
I would throw his @ss out of the airplane. At 37,000 feet. I have had to deal with racist comments before, and I can't friggin' stand people who are so stupid and full of hatred that they have to put down people who are different than they are. All people are the same. Differences like hair color, eye color, skin color don't really matter, we are all just people.

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Throw someone out at 37K for racist comments?

If we threw out everyone at 37,000 feet for stupidity, this planet would be pretty sparse.

Again, while I don't agree with racism, I also don't believe you can legislate what people think. You go down a dangerous road if you start doing that. I just note their stupidity, and figure Darwin will take care of them at some point.

Over the years, I've completely released myself from the desire to b*t*h slap any of those individuals, and I simply "clown" on them using the questioning techniques combined with a relative mother, sister, or wife input. . . as in:

Wasn't that your mother/sister/wife I met in the grocery store parking lot last night? If it was, tell her that was the best "he*d I've ever had. . .

. . .it was your relative, right? I could be wrong, but she truly had a family resemblance to you! Your eyes. . .your lips!

If they fall for it, as most do, it takes all the race inputs away and makes it a battle of wits. Those I'll usually win; either way, walking off, I'll still smile saying "Damn, whoever she was, she was good! If you see her, tell her that for me."

[intern_mike]

I find the best way to deal with racist/ignorant people is to undermind them with a huge smile on your face. They are usually too dumb to catch on.

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by intern_mike

I find the best way to deal with racist/ignorant people is to undermind them with a huge smile on your face. They are usually too dumb to catch on.

. . .and I'm inclined to do that with the older generation folks . . .sometimes.

[antlouis63]

Originally Posted by cap'n_howdy

that is wisdom.

my .02 cents: i have lived all over the world, and for one thing racism and bigotry are not necessarily the same thing. i grew up in the country in texas and virginia, (live in rural north texas now) and i can tell you firsthand that it works both ways and is not gonna stop any time soon. black people should know through experience that a huge number of white people were raised as racist bigots and are currently teaching their children to be, too. i still have scars from the honolulu police throwing me in a cell w/ a bunch of samoans-after having lived in upolu, western samoa i could speak samoan pretty well, and am not racist at all, or loudmouthed, but they jumped at the chance to beat the ##### out of a howlie. i personally broke up a lynching in progress in downtown dallas(crackheads having a dispute over who stole the rock) in 2001. i have seen racism/reverse racism many times, and it bothers me, but it bothers me almost as much to see educated people willing to write off the life of another human because that individual is ignorant of reality. the notion that it would be fun to see a racist, or even a murderer, for that matter, punished is disturbing, and is the same mentality that would justify racism in the first place. it's like kicking a dog, and people that consider themselves better than anyone else for any reason should consider that your perceptions of right and wrong are almost exclusively limited to what you personally know, and where you were raised/taught the most basic of life's principles. if you're of european ancestry, it is a good bet that your ancestors had blood on their hands. don't forget that if you grow up in palestine you think israelis are evil, and if you grow up in israel you think palestinians are evil, and if you grow up aboriginy you think they are both crazy for trying to own something that was there before you were born and will be there long after your'e dead.
--who knows the truth?--

As an aspiring African American Pilot I've always been concerned with this matter. I have been concerned that an industry with maybe little more or less than 1% is controlled by those who were raised in such a manner of racist bigots, I, and or we have to face those individuals for hiring purposes? Thank-you for your confirmation of my beliefs, not an attack on you, and thank-you for not being a racist and sorry for being exposed to our dailey lifestyles here in America, that you were exposed to in the cells of Hawaii, (unfair treatment, beatings, for no apparent reason)

[PGT]

i have noticed that its mostly lower class people who are racist.

[flyguy969]

Concidering the length of flight probably keep going. BUT skip any meal, refreshment and hopefully he is on the outside seat so perhaps, OOOPS!! I did not mean to slam the cart into your arm over and over and over and over and over and over...............................

[Varig_777]

I had just got back from a flight one day about 5 months ago and was walking back into the FBO when this man who looked about 50 stopped me.

He had a pretty thick Texan accent-which isn't a suprise anymore- and started chatting me up about flying, aviation, the airlines etc.... he was an amature aviation enthusist.

He seemed like a pretty nice guy when all of a sudden he turned to me and asked me how I felt about, what he reffered to as: "Affirmative BLACKction getting people into the cockpit who don't belong..."

I did a double take, and just kind of went "Hu? What was that?" This guy was so stupid he didn't even know when to stop.

He went on about how he wouldn't feel comfortable in a plane piloted by blacks or hispanics. He even jabbed at women, saying how could a woman fly if they are not strong enough to pull back on the yoke in an emergency.....

I didn't know if I should punch this guy or just laugh. Earlier he had been asking me if I could take him up sometime to show him what flying Cessnas was like. So I simply calmly said:

"Well, I'm latin myself. Take care of yourself..." And walked away. Actually I'm Portuguese/Italian which is technically Latin. I have light skin and green eyes so this idiot didn't even realize he was shooting racist remarks about Latins while talking to one

I was actually pretty pissed for the better part of a week. There was more I wished I had said and done. But soon I realized that ignorant people are everywhere and they are not going to change. I actually feel sorry for these people.

[mbtrebbe]

Originally Posted by PGT

i have noticed that its mostly lower class people who are racist.

i dont know how much i agree with that. They come in all shapes colors and sizes

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by mbtrebbe

i dont know how much i agree with that. They come in all shapes colors and sizes

You're right, but I think I can extend this a little further to accommodate you both...

The more cruder forms of racism and bigotry tend to be more overt from the lower classes - I.E. - the stereotypical brain-dead hick spending a fun-filled Friday night at a Klan cross-burning...

The "upper classes" - again, stereotypically - lean toward an economic form of racism...thus you have 'white flight' and exclusionary practices at private country clubs, etc.

It's all shapes and sizes, subjective and highly emotionally charged - but for the purposes of discussing racism as an entity itself rather than a personal, codifying set of behaviors, the class distinction is appropriate.

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by killbilly

You're right, but I think I can extend this a little further to accommodate you both...

The more cruder forms of racism and bigotry tend to be more overt from the lower classes - I.E. - the stereotypical brain-dead hick spending a fun-filled Friday night at a Klan cross-burning...

The "upper classes" - again, stereotypically - lean toward an economic form of racism...thus you have 'white flight' and exclusionary practices at private country clubs, etc.

It's all shapes and sizes, subjective and highly emotionally charged - but for the purposes of discussing racism as an entity itself rather than a personal, codifying set of behaviors, the class distinction is appropriate.

Wow, nicely stated!

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by PGT

i have noticed that its mostly lower class people who are racist.

Perhaps the most absurd thing I have read this week! What class do you fall into PGT??

I would like to rewrite this to give my opinion---Racist people are classless.

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by darrenf

Perhaps the most absurd thing I have read this week! What class do you fall into PGT??

I would like to rewrite this to give my opinion---Racist people are classless.

Racist people rate lower than the crap on the bottom of my shoe...

[atpwannabe]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I've had my share of passengers that drop by the cockpit and make stupid remarks.

Probably the worst was a few years ago when someone's child walked into the cockpit and started yammering about how suprised he was that black folks (well, actually the vernacular description) could fly airplanes. His guardians swiftly, but not very passionately apologized but I couldn't resist responding "Well, kids only repeat what they hear on a daily basis..."

The captain was a lot more pissed than I was, and was about to kick them off, but I convinced him that the best revenge was to leave them on let them stew for the 90 minute flight and then stand in the doorway proudly smiling as they deplaned.

Well said Doug!!!

As far as the passenger making threats against one of my crewmembers, I'd land the plane and get his a$$ off of there.


atp

[LoadMasterC141]

I am prejudice of racists

Seriously, growing up on or near military bases, I had friends of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds and never once thought about racism and prejudice. Then my father retired and we moved to a very rural town in upstate NY. There were 3 African-American people in my high school. One was the star football player, and my close friend. Everyone liked him until he started dating one of the best looking gals in our class. Then the "N" word came out and he was often challenged to fights over it. The funny thing is, the girl was 100% American Indian. Hypocrites!
Truly though, it is just ignorance and I regard those who are racist as ignorant.

I stay away from any racist in my personal life. In my professional life, I have come across it a few times. When I used to work in operations, my boss was African-American, but all of his drivers were Caucasian. One driver thought it OK to tell me and another person how bad the place had gotten since the "N" had taken over. I had him brought up on charges and he was subsequently fired. No tolerance for that kind of stuff, ignorant or not, in the workplace.

Another good Loadmaster story:
We had a guy in our squadron who was from Tennessee and was very open about his hatred of non-whites. He always told us how his whole family was in the KKK and he would be when he got out. I even remember him yelling the "N" word to a bunch of African-Americans walking by the dorm once. They came over and kicked the living crap out of him. He was mad because everyone just left him there to his fate.

Well, this dummy takes a mission down to New Orleans, running the presidents limos down for Mardi Gras (Clinton and his Sax). On crew rest he, and another crewmember, go to the "wrong" side of town and purchase a bag of Marijuana from an African-American. While haggling over price, ole boy makes a comment that the weed can't be worth much because it is "N" Weed. The man pulls out a gun and puts a bullet in his head at point blank range, killing him almost instantly. We know the story because the other guy ran for it and spewed the truth when he got back to the hotel. Not that anyone deserves to die, but I did not feel sorry for him.