100 Hours for $2500.00

desertdog71 · November 2nd, 2006, 21:31

That should get your attention:

Anyways, I have a potential customer that is interested in doing some cheap time building. If you are interested in splitting some C-150 time in December here in Kansas. I will try to arrange things to pair somebody up.

This would be a great way to get tons of hours for very little cost. No instruction is included with this, its just a straight split time with another customer deal seperate from our normal school functions.

DE727UPS · November 2nd, 2006, 22:05

How do you split time in a 150? The safety pilot deal?

desertdog71 · November 3rd, 2006, 00:24

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

How do you split time in a 150? The safety pilot deal?

Yeah, that is what it would be. I am trying to help a guy out that has limited funds and wants to get some time building done. He knows my feeling on time building in this way, but he is not one of our students. I am just treating it like a block rental and if someone wants to pair up just let me know and I will see if I can coordinate it.

O'Town Pilot · November 3rd, 2006, 00:47

When in Dec. does it want to do it in? Also, does he want to do it all in a few days or over a month or so?

desertdog71 · November 3rd, 2006, 00:54

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Originally Posted by O'Town Pilot

When in Dec. does it want to do it in? Also, does he want to do it all in a few days or over a month or so?

He wants to do in about 3 weeks time. 100 hours takes more that a few days.

O'Town Pilot · November 3rd, 2006, 01:02

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Originally Posted by desertdog71

He wants to do in about 3 weeks time. 100 hours takes more that a few days.

right, right. If you know of anyone who wants to do some in the spring, let me know. I am thinking of coming out there for my CMEL and would require some time building to reach 250.

desertdog71 · November 3rd, 2006, 01:05

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Originally Posted by O'Town Pilot

right, right. If you know of anyone who wants to do some in the spring, let me know. I am thinking of coming out there for my CMEL and would require some time building to reach 250.

Tweety will be here in the spring also. $50 an hour wet single pilot isn't bad either if you don't have a partner.

O'Town Pilot · November 3rd, 2006, 01:08

No, 50 is great. I will keep in touch with you and let you know whats goin on. Maybe ill cya out there sometime.

DE727UPS · November 3rd, 2006, 01:19

"He knows my feeling on time building in this way"

Your feelings are appropriate. Tell him he's risking being laughed out of an interview. Maybe they won't look at that page in his logbook, if he's lucky...

meritflyer · November 3rd, 2006, 20:58

Tell him I'll come out and do it with him. He can log it as dual received and save himself the embarrassment.

Champcar · November 5th, 2006, 18:28

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

"He knows my feeling on time building in this way"

Your feelings are appropriate. Tell him he's risking being laughed out of an interview. Maybe they won't look at that page in his logbook, if he's lucky...

Its legal so i'd tell the interviewer to shove it. They don't get to make the rules, if they want to make a big deal out of 50 hours then maybe he doesn't want to work for them anyways.

DE727UPS · November 5th, 2006, 19:47

"Its legal so i'd tell the interviewer to shove it"

HAHA. You're not gonna go far in this biz with that sorta attitude. Aren't you the guy that went to Riddle?

Screaming_Emu · November 5th, 2006, 21:23

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

"Its legal so i'd tell the interviewer to shove it"

HAHA. You're not gonna go far in this biz with that sorta attitude. Aren't you the guy that went to Riddle?

went to and then dropped out if I remember correctly.

Champcar, I think his point is that its 100 hours of 150 time...not exactly a challenging aircraft.

meritflyer · November 6th, 2006, 00:19

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

HAHA. You're not gonna go far in this biz with that sorta attitude. Aren't you the guy that went to Riddle?

Jeez! Whats with the constant digs?

DE727UPS · November 6th, 2006, 03:44

"Jeez! Whats with the constant digs?"

What's your point? That it's okay to tell an interviewer "screw you, it's legal"?

How would that work in the pharmacy sales rep biz? I'm sure you do that a lot. Like Meritflyer would say, "the FDA say's this legal drug kicks butt, if you don't buy it you're an idiot"

If that was how you ran things, you'd have been forced to walk away from being a pharmacy sales rep quite some time ago, sell the turbo Arrow, and go to Pan Am academy.

What would your wife think???

Gonzo · November 6th, 2006, 04:17

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

How would that work in the pharmacy sales rep biz?

He's not a pharmaceuticals representative he works in the carpet cleaning business.

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Originally Posted by meritflyer

To answer your question, I have had and still have a labor operation. I own a commercial carpet cleaning company that operates 4 vans. I used to pull 1000' of hose through a 250,000 sq. ft. building all night long for years to feed my family. Anyone who's ever done this type of work knows exactly what I am talking about. Talk about labor my friend.

DE727UPS · November 6th, 2006, 04:26

Ahhh....

You aren't going back faaarrrrr enough.

Unless you're just yankin' my chain....in which case, STOP IT.

meritflyer · November 6th, 2006, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

He's not a pharmaceuticals representative he works in the carpet cleaning business.

Uhh... actually I am buddy. I started my carpet company long before I became a pharma rep to make a living during my college years.

DE727UPS · November 6th, 2006, 12:54

After sleeping on it, I want to point out I don't mean to pick on Champcar. I simply would love to see a spirited discussion on the merits of telling your DE, "you can shove it, this is legal time". At least, not until the checkride is over and you'll never see the guy again.

meritflyer · November 6th, 2006, 19:20

I dont blame champcar for leaving ERAU. Its too expensive, IMO.

ananoman · November 6th, 2006, 22:21

ATA in Orlando had a program for a short while before they went belly up that involved going from zero to ATP for something like $80,000. The kicker was that about 700 hours of the time was spent as safety pilot in a 150. I remember getting into a rather pointed discussion about this in the forums. It seems one of the prospective students saw nothing wrong with getting time this way. I would have loved to have been able to sit in on that guys interview for a job...

Nothing wrong with some safety pilot time here and there if it is only 50 or so hours. It can't look good to show up with hundreds of hours of this though. Especially in a 150.

As for giving someone dual, bad idea. If you get caught by the FAA, you will not be very pleased with the outcome.

meritflyer · November 6th, 2006, 23:44

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Originally Posted by ananoman

As for giving someone dual, bad idea. If you get caught by the FAA, you will not be very pleased with the outcome.

Well, I am not sure about that. If you were to build time with someone, there is no reason why there couldnt be legit instruction going on from a qualified CFI to another pilot and logged as such.

ananoman · November 7th, 2006, 00:40

I am not going to look it up, but I read about an enforcement action that resulted from this. Both the student and instructor ended up getting wacked by the FAA. Both had extensive flight time that one had logged as dual and the other as dual received (It has been awhile they may have both been instructors who were alternating giving each other dual). They were time building and the FAA noted that there was no mention of what was covered in either log book. So, the FAA reasoned that it was not legitimate instruction and that the two pilots were improperly using a loophole in part 61 to be able to both log flight time.

If you are actually giving instruction, you are ok. Just don't log 50 hours of cross country with the same person and log it as dual given. If it takes a student that long to be able to figure out how to find another airport, they have problems that can't be fixed anyway...

Champcar · November 8th, 2006, 18:49

Im sorry for starting all this. I need to learn when the shut up. I for one actually agree that the dual logging issue needs to be fixed. What gets me upset is these airline interviewers that come up with their own views of the rules that us pilots magically needs to know.

I left Riddle campus for online Riddle because of costs and I got tired of beeing lied too.

November 2nd, 2006, 21:31	#1
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,008	100 Hours for $2500.00 That should get your attention: Anyways, I have a potential customer that is interested in doing some cheap time building. If you are interested in splitting some C-150 time in December here in Kansas. I will try to arrange things to pair somebody up. This would be a great way to get tons of hours for very little cost. No instruction is included with this, its just a straight split time with another customer deal seperate from our normal school functions. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

November 2nd, 2006, 22:05	#2
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,590	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 How do you split time in a 150? The safety pilot deal?

November 3rd, 2006, 00:47	#4
O'Town Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 48	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 When in Dec. does it want to do it in? Also, does he want to do it all in a few days or over a month or so?

November 3rd, 2006, 01:08	#8
O'Town Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 48	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 No, 50 is great. I will keep in touch with you and let you know whats goin on. Maybe ill cya out there sometime.

November 3rd, 2006, 01:19	#9
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,590	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 "He knows my feeling on time building in this way" Your feelings are appropriate. Tell him he's risking being laughed out of an interview. Maybe they won't look at that page in his logbook, if he's lucky...

November 3rd, 2006, 20:58	#10
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,827	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 Tell him I'll come out and do it with him. He can log it as dual received and save himself the embarrassment. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

November 5th, 2006, 19:47	#12
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,590	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 "Its legal so i'd tell the interviewer to shove it" HAHA. You're not gonna go far in this biz with that sorta attitude. Aren't you the guy that went to Riddle?

November 6th, 2006, 03:44	#15
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,590	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 "Jeez! Whats with the constant digs?" What's your point? That it's okay to tell an interviewer "screw you, it's legal"? How would that work in the pharmacy sales rep biz? I'm sure you do that a lot. Like Meritflyer would say, "the FDA say's this legal drug kicks butt, if you don't buy it you're an idiot" If that was how you ran things, you'd have been forced to walk away from being a pharmacy sales rep quite some time ago, sell the turbo Arrow, and go to Pan Am academy. What would your wife think???

November 6th, 2006, 04:26	#17
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,590	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 Ahhh.... You aren't going back faaarrrrr enough. Unless you're just yankin' my chain....in which case, STOP IT.

November 6th, 2006, 12:54	#19
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,590	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 After sleeping on it, I want to point out I don't mean to pick on Champcar. I simply would love to see a spirited discussion on the merits of telling your DE, "you can shove it, this is legal time". At least, not until the checkride is over and you'll never see the guy again.

November 6th, 2006, 19:20	#20
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,827	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 I dont blame champcar for leaving ERAU. Its too expensive, IMO. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

November 6th, 2006, 22:21	#21
ananoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 ATA in Orlando had a program for a short while before they went belly up that involved going from zero to ATP for something like $80,000. The kicker was that about 700 hours of the time was spent as safety pilot in a 150. I remember getting into a rather pointed discussion about this in the forums. It seems one of the prospective students saw nothing wrong with getting time this way. I would have loved to have been able to sit in on that guys interview for a job... Nothing wrong with some safety pilot time here and there if it is only 50 or so hours. It can't look good to show up with hundreds of hours of this though. Especially in a 150. As for giving someone dual, bad idea. If you get caught by the FAA, you will not be very pleased with the outcome. __________________ My observation is that those with an extreme knowledge deficit have a real hard time believing that anyone else knows something they don't. That's why the knowledge deficit never goes away. - tgrayson

November 7th, 2006, 00:40	#23
ananoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 I am not going to look it up, but I read about an enforcement action that resulted from this. Both the student and instructor ended up getting wacked by the FAA. Both had extensive flight time that one had logged as dual and the other as dual received (It has been awhile they may have both been instructors who were alternating giving each other dual). They were time building and the FAA noted that there was no mention of what was covered in either log book. So, the FAA reasoned that it was not legitimate instruction and that the two pilots were improperly using a loophole in part 61 to be able to both log flight time. If you are actually giving instruction, you are ok. Just don't log 50 hours of cross country with the same person and log it as dual given. If it takes a student that long to be able to figure out how to find another airport, they have problems that can't be fixed anyway... __________________ My observation is that those with an extreme knowledge deficit have a real hard time believing that anyone else knows something they don't. That's why the knowledge deficit never goes away. - tgrayson

November 8th, 2006, 18:49	#24
Champcar Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KROC Posts: 2,249	Re: 100 Hours for $2500.00 Im sorry for starting all this. I need to learn when the shut up. I for one actually agree that the dual logging issue needs to be fixed. What gets me upset is these airline interviewers that come up with their own views of the rules that us pilots magically needs to know. I left Riddle campus for online Riddle because of costs and I got tired of beeing lied too. __________________ Commercial Single/Multi Instrument IGI

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